Dec 29, 2018 14:34:57 GMT
tootally
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Post by tootally on Dec 29, 2018 14:57:50 GMT
Hi I have just joined and looking for some suggestiuons / advice . I will be the proud owner of 4 young Cocks in Jnauary once they have fledged and are ready for life . I am looking at cages/aviaries and just getting more and more confused .
I want large and I want horizontal length .The birds will be in the cage all the time as my flat layout does not lend itself to free flying . These are the ones I have been looking at but I see pros and cons in all of them
Diana - Wooden frame looks like furniture however impossible to clean as no lift off
Piano 6 - Not sure if large enough for 4 and noted reservations on feeding dishes provided . Also need to replace all included perches etc . Cleaning easier than Diana . Would ideally like a grill floor also
Piano 7 - Plenty of room but same reservations on dishes . Also does the extra room represent value for money as cheapest I can find it is £233 . Also need to replace all included perches etc so am i paying for too many items i will not use
Planeta - Overly tall and doubts about sturdiness .
I would love recommendations as I want to buy early so it is all ready for the new guys .
Regards
Steve
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Post by Hezz on Dec 30, 2018 0:09:38 GMT
First question - what is it about the flat that you think means the birds can't have free-flying time? There really is nothing big enough that I would recommend for birds who will not have any out of cage time. The closest would be a Hamberley, or two, and join them together. Maybe consider building in one side of a room so they do have room to move. www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/products/hamberley-single-metal-large-cage.html
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Post by ffiscool on Dec 30, 2018 0:44:59 GMT
welcome. I wondered too. If you have room for a large horizontal cage, could they not come out?
Could it work easier if you say had only 2, if you are concerned about 4 budgies flying about etc
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Dec 30, 2018 6:21:22 GMT
I wouldn't recommend a wood-framed cage (re: Diana) for budgies. Those are better suited for canaries, finches and the like who are less likely to chew on wood. Nor would I put much emphasis on the perches and cups that come with a cage. Those are easily replaced and customized. I've never used the perches and cups that came with a new cage.
If you really cannot figure out a way to let your budgies have out-of-cage time (and I bet you can), then the Piano 7 is the minimum size recommended and larger would be better. Unless, as has been suggested, you get two budgies instead of a quartet.
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Dec 29, 2018 14:34:57 GMT
tootally
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Post by tootally on Dec 30, 2018 8:34:25 GMT
First question - what is it about the flat that you think means the birds can't have free-flying time? There really is nothing big enough that I would recommend for birds who will not have any out of cage time. The closest would be a Hamberley, or two, and join them together. Maybe consider building in one side of a room so they do have room to move. www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/products/hamberley-single-metal-large-cage.htmlHi
I have a staircase leading from my frontdoor up 25 steps to an open plan living room/kitchen . There is no wall on one side from around 8ft so really open and as it is my only flat access .
Regards
Steve
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Post by OP on Dec 30, 2018 9:01:23 GMT
There is no real substitute for out of cage time for budgies, however they can live quite happily in a large roomy cage. The piano 7 is such a cage but bare in mind the cage itself takes a fair amount of space and takes some man handling to move. The Hamberley will house 4 budgies quite well and arranged properly will allow them to stretch their wings a little. It comes with its own wheeled stand which is a godsend when cleaning behind. It will house five birds at a squeeze, but I would say four comfortably. I speak with experience of both these cages and for me the Hamberley wins hands down. Worth the money?, everytime, better value than the piano range. There are others which follow the lines of the Hamberley, wheeled base etc. But they are not the same, or same quality. I do not work for any cage maker. In fact I do not work as I'm retired. I speak purely from experience. Happy hunting for the perfect cage. By the best you can as you can spend a fortune trying different cages.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Dec 30, 2018 9:27:10 GMT
I always find it too hard to answer questions about getting cages where budgies don't have out of cage time. This is because my budgies are out from 8am to 8pm every day, apart from Hector who cannot fly and lives in a large hagen vision, but even he comes to sit with me at least 3 times a day for extra attention.
Why did you settle on the number of 4 budgies? The piano 6 is quite roomy for 2 budgies I would have thought (correct me if I am wrong) and is only about £80 on zooplus currently, the perches and seed pots can be easily changed for new ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 9:40:03 GMT
I have the Piano 6 and that’s plenty of room for 2 birds. It would accommodate 4 birds but with toys, swings etc in there it might become a bit cramped for them all. I use the integral feeders in the cage now as one of mine tips the feeding cups over. They’ve taken quite well to them; better than I expected.
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Post by Hezz on Dec 30, 2018 10:12:26 GMT
Is there not another room where they could be let out for flying time for a certain period of the day??
A cage that can take two or four budgies that have plenty of out of cage time is quite different to those who have none. None of these cages are big enough for four budgies locked in all the time!
A wooden framed cage is not a consideration - budgies will just chew it to bits.
Maybe you should canaries, rather than budgies??
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Post by helenmat on Dec 30, 2018 11:27:57 GMT
I personally (and I know this is harsh) would reconsider keeping budgies at all if they can't have free flight. Birds are meant to fly so unless you can provide an indoor aviary where they can proper open up their wings and fly I would consider a different pet. The only other thing you could do it put up a very heavy curtain at the top of the stairs so as to block off the room so they can fly. I bird that isn't allowed to fly can be a very miserable being.
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Post by OP on Dec 30, 2018 12:15:38 GMT
At the moment I have three budgies, two male and one female. I have thee cage open every day when I am at home. The female (Mildred) cannot fly now, but the two males can. Oscar is a very good flyer, Kiwi can fly but is clumsy. Different breeds. Although the cage is wide open there is only Oscar that comes out for a fly the other two don't. If you could see and hear them I would say they are not miserable. They have the choice to stay in or come out. None of the buds had been out free flying when I took them in. In fact I wrote about my concern about wheter they had lost their ability to fly. Even when I had five in this very cage I had the door open and yet no more than two would come out for a fly at the same time. One was out most of the time, that was my pal Whiskers. He just went in to feed and sleep. So what I am saying is even with the choice a lot of buds won't bother if they don't have free flying time. That's my way of thinking. As long as there is room in the cage for them to fly from perch to perch, up and down then that is fine by me.
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Post by Shirls on Dec 30, 2018 15:12:44 GMT
Hi Steve, I have a Piano 6 and four budgies, it has housed 5 budgies, and the larger variety (exhibition type). I don't fill the cage with too many toys and they can be changed regularly to prevent boredem. BUT all my birds have 'out time' most days. However, there is lots of room in a Piano 6 for flight, albeit limited and certainly not as good as flying about in the room. I have a room with no door, but a bead curtain across and very seldom does a bird fly through it, would a bead curtain or similar be an option for you?
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Dec 29, 2018 14:34:57 GMT
tootally
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Post by tootally on Dec 30, 2018 16:04:33 GMT
Thanks pplz . If it was just a question of a curtain it would be fine , unfortunately when i say open plan it is literally that the bannister , balustrade is what seaparates my living area from the stairs so no way of sealing it off . I also have loads of cactii in my living room . I am looking at a space in my study that would accommodate the www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/products/elegance-double-metal-large-flight-cage.html which is basically 2 Hamberleys added together . My one concern is that the bars are vertical and I assumed ( maybe incorrectly ) that Budgies preferred horizontal bars for hanging onto . My study / officeis a sealed unit with few issues so flight may be an option in there and as it is also my office I do spend a lot of time in there running my business .
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Post by OP on Dec 30, 2018 16:15:15 GMT
Now that is a fantastic cage you linked to. If you do have them in your office, which sounds like the best option, you will need some rather patient clients on the other end of the telephone.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Dec 30, 2018 16:18:36 GMT
I don't know what the bar spacing is on that cage as it doesn't say. You shouldn't have bar spacing larger than 1.5cm.
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