May 26, 2019 14:04:54 GMT
jolee
Brand New Budgie
Posts: 25
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Post by jolee on May 27, 2019 12:11:59 GMT
How long have you had them? I'm following along to see the solution, this is just an awful situation!
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Post by suesbird on May 27, 2019 12:53:19 GMT
Jo is 5 1/2 and Pip is 4 1/2. I've been thinking back over the last month and how quiet she has gone. Always on her swing where he can't reach her. So I think I might put them in separate cages. They will Be next door to one another. What do you think Hezz?
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Post by Hezz on May 27, 2019 19:22:49 GMT
It will take as long as it takes, Sue, I'm sorry. You know there are no time frames when it comes to these guys. Be thankful that so far Jo hasn't seen the need to lay; that is a big plus. Be prepared for the long haul, though, as you are only now heading into Summer. Two separate cages sounds like it will definitely benefit Jo, suesbird. I don't know if it would work for your space, or is even really necessary just yet as in Jo not laying, but would you be able to have two cages set up on their own trolleys? Move one cage out of the room and let the other out for free time and swap around. I did this with Mango but she was in a much worse situation than Jo, so it probably is not necessary for her, as long as she seems comfortable and relaxed - feeding, sleeping etc - even when Pip is hanging around like a bee around a honey trap. The last thing you want if for her to start thinking about eggs at her age.
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Post by suesbird on May 27, 2019 19:32:43 GMT
She has been put to bed in a dark room at 6 pm. Obsessed with chewing everything, granary bread, Apple, lemon grass. If she was a human she would be prime minister and sort this country out, she is certainly on a mission. I have an unco-operative husband who says no to another cage but think I'm going have to work on him very hardππ
Would I have to keep them in separate rooms? At the moment she is in the utility in the dark and I'll have to move her back out tomorrow.
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Post by Hezz on May 27, 2019 19:47:49 GMT
No, she doesn't have to be in another room, yet; only if she seems to be displaying mating behaviour. Then I would move either her or Pip. Having somewhere you can move her to, to give her the needed darkness to extend her sleep times is useful, somewhere that's quiet as well. If there are toys that she has never been interested in, or swings that she won't use, these are the things to add to her cage if you can - unfamiliar things to help keep her from getting into a comfortable routine.
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Post by suesbird on May 27, 2019 19:55:23 GMT
Thanks Hezz, much appreciated. Xx
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Post by jellybean on May 28, 2019 8:22:37 GMT
Jo.....behave yourself and give your Mum a break π€£π€£ When she snaps out if this Sue, you'll be needing another holiday ππ
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Post by Hezz on May 28, 2019 9:09:42 GMT
I was just thinking about the same, jellybean - that might kick her off all over again. suesbird, keeping the two in separate rooms might just stop her busy-ness sooner rather than later. Just a thought; of course, as you know, there are no guarantees when it comes to budgies.
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Post by suesbird on May 29, 2019 19:28:34 GMT
Well Jo still in the small cage on her own. She's just making a mess by tipping her dish over and throwing seed on the floor but she is less stressed. She has started chirping more and potters about. I put her in with Pip this morning and after a couple of minutes he went over and started pecking at her and she fought back and both ended up on the bottom of the cage. Hezz do you think perhaps the dynamics have changed and he is becoming more dominant now.
I put her in the big cage whilst he was out and she was pacing the floor for a while and then started shredding the paper. She just seemed stressed. We've been talking and looking back over the last month whenever she was out she would stay in her pot and when in the cage she would sit on her swing all the time.
I think time has come to house them separately, they would have a cage next door to each other though. Is that too close? I'm struggling for space to house them totally away from one another.
Any thoughts please.
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Post by Hezz on May 29, 2019 19:43:54 GMT
Try them close together; that's all you can do. If that doesn't seem to be working for her, then you might have to re-think your options. Is she in breeding condition? I'm wondering if Pip is being a bit pushing and not taking 'no' for an answer?? Usually that doesn't get to the point of fisty-cuffs, but who knows, really. It does sound like Pip is being a right bully. Why now, you would have to wonder.
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Post by suesbird on May 29, 2019 20:04:03 GMT
This is what we don't understand, he has always dotted on her and she always put him in his place. I'm going to give her a few more days in the small cage. The hubby is going to take the cages back to individual ones. How do you tell if she is in breeding condition? Nothing is simple with these birds Whoever said having budgies is easy have never had one!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by skysmum on May 29, 2019 20:24:53 GMT
Poor girl, sounds like her hormones are raging and Pip is getting mixed signals. Ive had some of this in the past and your doing the right thing in separating them given her age, don't want any eggs getting stuck I was going to say about converting your cages back, that would be perfect, company if they want it but peace if they don't
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Post by suesbird on May 29, 2019 20:33:56 GMT
That's what we were thinking Skysmum. Thank you all for your expertise, what with two hormonal birds, hormonal pregnant daughter and 3 year old grand daughter, and my daughters husband in tow, I need another flipping holiday. I can't even get to the ice cream or put the dishwasher on because Jo is in the utility and I can't put a light on.
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Post by suesbird on May 30, 2019 15:22:11 GMT
Well decided to buy two new cages and hopefully all will settle down. I will try them out together and let them visit and see how it goes. Thanks for your help
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Post by Hezz on May 31, 2019 1:22:19 GMT
Good luck Sue. I do hope they both settle back down, and soon. Is Jo's cere crusty and brown, or a pale washed-out blue? What colour is it normally, as well? You may remember that my Smudge always had a crusty brown cere but was never interested in mating or laying - the only time it wasn't was when she started having health issues. So the "in breeding condition" doesn't always mean that they can't wait to lay or mate.
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