Jun 23, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
beauderek
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Post by beauderek on Jun 23, 2019 21:38:51 GMT
Hi there, I'm new to the forum. I recently became immersed in the wonderful world of budgie ownership and am loving watching these little wonders interact with one another. I have a sky-blue female called Derek (long story for another thread, but the punchline is... She's blue, must be a boy) and a young male called Beau - I think he's a violet clearwing, but I admit the whole budgie genetics, mutations, factors, it's all a bit confusing. Can anyone tell me his background from this picture? Thanks in advance for any advice. I'll be making a more formal introduction soon enough
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 23, 2019 21:47:47 GMT
Welcome. To me, you bud on the left is a boy and the other, a girl
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Jun 23, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
beauderek
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Post by beauderek on Jun 23, 2019 21:51:44 GMT
Thanks, I know that lol. I just wonder if you maybe know about his colouring? š Thanks for the quick reply btw
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 23, 2019 22:14:40 GMT
Ah sorry, I should read all the previous posts lol
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 23, 2019 22:31:54 GMT
He's a violet dominant pied from what I can see. Not sure about the clearwing. Who told you that the blue hen was male just cos she's blue? That's hilarious
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Jun 23, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
beauderek
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Post by beauderek on Jun 23, 2019 23:02:55 GMT
Thank you for the info, I've been wondering how to tell for weeks.
I originally inherited Derek from an old lady who's passed away. She wanted a boy to call Derek so purchased a blue one and cashed it Derek... She's been Derek ever since.
Beau came along to keep her company but I'm pretty sure they're in the process of mating, so have bought a nest box. I'm curious what colour/ mutation any chicks might be. Any thoughts? š¤
Thanks again
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Post by Hezz on Jun 24, 2019 0:22:03 GMT
He is most likely a single factor dominant pied (violet) - agree with Marianne.
You would really need to know the lineage of the parents to have any chance of predicting offspring mutations. Many budgies will be split for a certain mutation but not actually be visually showing it.
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Jun 23, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
beauderek
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Post by beauderek on Jun 24, 2019 0:24:27 GMT
Well it'll be fascinating watching and finding out. They're such beautiful animals š
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Jun 17, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
seraphina
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Post by seraphina on Jun 24, 2019 6:27:00 GMT
The story of how Derek got her name is hilarious! Derek is a normal (cobalt?) blue budgie. She canāt be masking dominant pied (itās dominant!) As she is a girl, she canāt be masking cinnamon, or opaline, or albino mutations. (They are sex linked and would always be visible on a female.) They both canāt be masking green (green birds can mask blue, not the other way around.) Your boy is a dominant pied violet and Iām pretty sure spangled. Spangled is a dominant mutation. So if they bred, all chicks would be blue (with some violets) and about half of them (statistically) would be pied and/or spangle. If you got any opalines, albinos or cinnamons, they would be females. There could be other hidden mutations in there, but thatās what you can know for sure. (I think... someone correct me if Iām wrong about anything.)
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Jun 23, 2019 21:25:54 GMT
beauderek
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Post by beauderek on Jun 24, 2019 7:22:36 GMT
Wow, that's fascinating. I can tell this place is going to be an amazing resource. Who would've thought budgies were so complex? š
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Jun 17, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
seraphina
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Post by seraphina on Jun 24, 2019 9:40:53 GMT
Wow, that's fascinating. I can tell this place is going to be an amazing resource. Who would've thought budgies were so complex? š Budgie genetics and colour/pattern inheritance is a FASCINATING subject (to me, at least.) There is lots of information out there if you fancy learning more about it. There are even blue budgies that look green, or yellow faced budgies (that arenāt split for the yellowface gene) that look to have a white face -but will produce 100% yellowface chicks. www.cutelittlebirdiesaviary.com/yellowface-i-yellowface-ii-and-goldenface.html
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 24, 2019 11:25:11 GMT
Agreed, Derek does look cobalt. You may be right about the boy being spangle, but we'd have to see the back to confirm, there isn't a clear shot of head, back and wings. I'm not sure about all the genetic info you gave because I'm not good with that stuff, just guessing at mutations and genders! I do know that some mutations are sex-linked, but not sure how that plays out when breeding. I had a Dominant Grey Cinnamon Pied that was male, but I don't know what the mutations of his parents and grandparents was The story of how Derek got her name is hilarious! Derek is a normal (cobalt?) blue budgie. She canāt be masking dominant pied (itās dominant!) As she is a girl, she canāt be masking cinnamon, or opaline, or albino mutations. (They are sex linked and would always be visible on a female.) They both canāt be masking green (green birds can mask blue, not the other way around.) Your boy is a dominant pied violet and Iām pretty sure spangled. Spangled is a dominant mutation. So if they bred, all chicks would be blue (with some violets) and about half of them (statistically) would be pied and/or spangle. If you got any opalines, albinos or cinnamons, they would be females. There could be other hidden mutations in there, but thatās what you can know for sure. (I think... someone correct me if Iām wrong about anything.)
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Jun 17, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
seraphina
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Post by seraphina on Jun 24, 2019 11:45:45 GMT
Agreed, Derek does look cobalt. You may be right about the boy being spangle, but we'd have to see the back to confirm, there isn't a clear shot of head, back and wings. I'm not sure about all the genetic info you gave because I'm not good with that stuff, just guessing at mutations and genders! I do know that some mutations are sex-linked, but not sure how that plays out when breeding. I had a Dominant Grey Cinnamon Pied that was male, but I don't know what the mutations of his parents and grandparents was I said spangle because it doesnāt look like the colour on his body is diluted. Greywing etc have a diluting effect on body colour. I may be forgetting some other mutation (except from spangle) that is non-diluting that it could be, though. Cinnamons, Albino/Lutinos and Opalines can appear in both makes and females, but because they are sex-linked it means the āwrong sexā canāt mask them (=be split for them. ) So since neither of her birds are visual Ino/Opaline/Cinnamon, any chicks could only ever inherit one Ino/Opaline/Cinnamon gene (because the other parent canāt possibly carry those genes, or they would be visible) -and any chick who is a visual Opaline/Ino/Cinnamon with only one gene, would be female (again, because of the sex linked nature of the mutation.)
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 24, 2019 11:57:13 GMT
Oh I missed out opaline, Snowy was opaline too. Yes, he could be spangle or opaline and I just wasn't sure without a better photo. Thanks for the explanation, but I'll never remember any of it Here a few photos of the bird I was talking about, just because he was so pretty
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Jun 17, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
seraphina
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Post by seraphina on Jun 24, 2019 12:24:56 GMT
Oh wow he really was stunning! I love cinnamons... Haha sorry I am a bit of a genetics nerd, and I do go on about it some times!
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