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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 13, 2020 23:16:15 GMT
If Billy, Iris, Colin and Daisy were not being kept in a tiny cage in the middle of someones room, being stalked by a housecat then I wouldn't have had the fortune to meet them. Well, those four have hit the jackpot winding up with you.
Do you know how/where the original owner got them? They aren't the sort of garden variety mutations you find in a pet store.
In the excellent back shot of Iris, I'm clearly seeing the clearflight feather for the first time. That and the pied patch at the back of the head certainly reinforce the clearflight pied with incomplete expression theory.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 8:09:32 GMT
I don't know where the original owner got them from. All I know is that they had a cat, the cat was knocking the budgie cage over with them in it, so they wanted to rehome the birds. I agree that they don't look like average pet shop birds. If Billy, Iris, Colin and Daisy were not being kept in a tiny cage in the middle of someones room, being stalked by a housecat then I wouldn't have had the fortune to meet them. Well, those four have hit the jackpot winding up with you. Do you know how/where the original owner got them? They aren't the sort of garden variety mutations you find in a pet store. In the excellent back shot of Iris, I'm clearly seeing the clearflight feather for the first time. That and the pied patch at the back of the head certainly reinforce the clearflight pied with incomplete expression theory.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 8:24:43 GMT
Beautiful pics Marianne, your Billy is the image of my Iris Ah really?
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 14, 2020 16:26:35 GMT
I thought you'd might like to see this, Marianne Marlow . I was poking around the web looking to see if there were any scientfic articles at all about the supposed 'split to recessive pied' phenomenon. Couldn't find anything, which I think is significant given how if it were valid it violates the laws of genetics and would appear to have drawn the interest of geneticists. Anyway, while doing that search, I bumped into this, a reference from a classic book on budgie genetics. Note the last two sentences. <<The Clearflight Pied has two main characteristics: a clear patch at the nape of the neck and, ideally, completely clear primary flight and long tail feathers. All other features are normal. However, few birds approach the ideal; most show considerable variation in the extent of the clear areas. The nape spot is almost always present, but it varies considerably in size. While well-marked Clearflight Pieds have all ten primaries and both long tail feathers clear, many specimens show just a few clear flight feathers and occasionally none at all are affected. --Taylor, T G; Warner, C (1986), Genetics for Budgerigar Breeders (2nd ed.)>> I think the jury is in on Iris: Cinnamon Sky Clearflight Pied with incomplete expression. And I bet the same is true for all those purported 'split to recessive pieds' that have just a pied spot on the back of their head.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 16:42:51 GMT
Thanks yellowfacedviolet, that is interesting. I guess this part is Iris then? Why is she split to recessive pied and not dominant pied. Also how did you know that before you saw that she had a pied spot on the back of her head?
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 16:43:32 GMT
btw, Iris doesn't particularly like being referred to as a "specimen"
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 14, 2020 17:10:43 GMT
Thanks yellowfacedviolet , that is interesting. I guess this part is Iris then? Why is she split to recessive pied and not dominant pied. Also how did you know that before you saw that she had a pied spot on the back of her head?
She is not split for recessive pied and she's not dominant pied. She's Clearflight Pied, which I suspected but did not know for sure until i found the quote i just sent you.
And I did not know before I knew about the pied spot which is why I asked you if she had a pied spot in my first round of questions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 19:53:31 GMT
Marianne Marlow It certainly confirms that he's gorgeous at the very least!
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 20:01:03 GMT
It does, you are certainly correct Marianne Marlow It certainly confirms that he's gorgeous at the very least!
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 14, 2020 20:15:06 GMT
Actually, no. And I'm not joking. When I enlarge the photo he looks like a single factor violet sky, which, while not being a visual violet, is often confused with cobalt but has more 'brilliance' owing to its sky base. Regardless, he's a handsome dude.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 20:56:30 GMT
I used the flash for that photo. Tomorrow I'll take one without. He's definitely not a sky blue.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 14, 2020 22:11:11 GMT
Actually I'm just going to leave it. You're probably going to say he's a sky blue violet yellow face or whatever, regardless of which photos I post!
So may aswell just stop there.
Thanks for the mutation help anyway.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 15, 2020 11:01:04 GMT
Okay, so these will be the last photos to try and determine Bertie's mutation. Please let me know what you all think. Oh also note: Berties yellow is also all over his body, back of head and flight feathers. Especially Hezz and yellowfacedviolet (hopefully I wont have to buy you a red sports car and a years supply of harrisons) I have had a look on the interwebs and done a tiny bit of research and I found something that says: "There is a helpful way to tell if your bird is a Skyblue or a Cobalt under the Violet tint. Skyblue budgies have a emerald blue/green shade on their flights, Cobalts have more of a deep navy blue shade. This isn't changed by the prescence of Violet so can be used to tell a Skyblue Violet from a Cobalt." - courtesy of www.budgie-info.com/budgie-body-colours.htmlBertie and Lucy on swing
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Blithe, just beacuse
Lucy - Sky blue
Bertie and Blithe
Bertie worrying that he might not be a cobalt
Lucy, Bertie and Blithe
Bertie - Mum say it isn't so, please let me not be a Sky Blue. I don't wanna!
Blithe and Bertie
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