Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
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Post by theswann on Oct 19, 2011 13:20:55 GMT
How's pebbles today starling?
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by starling on Oct 20, 2011 9:47:43 GMT
hezz, I spoke to the vet over the phone as it wasn't my usual vet. This one is a bit further away, but I read online that he was an avian vet. It was nice of him to give me advice over the phone, free of charge! He told me to go to my own vets (who they have good relations with) and explain that I may need anti-biotics. Thanks for the info! I'm giving them a variety of food at the moment.
I am slightly worried that my birds aren't drinking. They all tried the antibiotics and clearly didn't like it. It's the only water source they have and I haven't seen any of them drink it again yet. It's difficult to watch them all of the time though. Pebbles is still holding his foot up most of the time, but I have seen him walking on it. He can't scratch with that foot, but he can balance ok on it to scratch with the other. It doesn't look like he has a lot of grip (the toes don't close around perches like the other foot). Typically, when I took them to the vets, he was standing on both feet. He even gripped the vets finger!
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Post by Ryan.W on Oct 20, 2011 12:37:51 GMT
if your'e worried they are no longer drinking, consult your vet about giving them it from a syringe . (although usually within about 3-4 days they adapt to the taste and start drinking, not all of them do though, also birds do not drink that often (well budgies anyway) so they won't be getting as good a benefit from it being in their water. I realise that might be difficult though . (to do it via syringe)
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Post by budgiefriend on Oct 20, 2011 15:25:28 GMT
Come on, birdies, drink the water. You'll be glad you did. Starling, keep up the good work. You're doing everything you can for them.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by starling on Oct 20, 2011 20:07:28 GMT
Misty (my tiel) has had a drink twice today, in his seperate cage. Maya took a tiny sip today, but clearly didn't like it. Normally I see them drinking often... they gulp it down! It's been two days now. I'm not sure how much time I should give them to give in to it. I'm pretty sure they're all looking for the water! They're in a new cage with a new water bottle at the moment too, so it's not the one they're used to (which doesn't fit the new cage).
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Post by nat on Oct 20, 2011 23:56:03 GMT
The vet by giving you antibiotics isn't treating them for any poisoning from paint fumes. Antibiotics will not help that at all. It sounds to me like vet is covering his back by prescribing antibiotics as he/she doesn't actually know what the matter is but antibiotic treatment will cover any bacterial infefection. If your birds have been poisoned by paint fumes the actions of their organs (liver particularly) will have been compromised and any administeration of antibiotics might be detrimental to them. 'IF' they have been poisoned by fumes then antibiotics will be of no help. Pure water will be better. A point to look out for if you are worried about birds taking meds through the water is dehydration. Easily noticed by a squinting of the eye.
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Post by Hezz on Oct 21, 2011 1:12:39 GMT
Nat, one of the vets thought Pebbles and Ruby may have had some sort of infection, hence the antibiotics.
But it seems as though Pebbles is picking up a bit, Starling. As for the drinking, while I wouldn't be confident enough to give a syringe a go, maybe if the vet or nurse can show you the right way, then at least you would know they were getting it. What a situation to be in! Sorry we can't be more of a help! Hopefully with Misty banished to the "naughty corner" the budgies will get back to full health!
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by starling on Oct 21, 2011 17:35:55 GMT
Nat, as hezz says, it was just in case they had an infection. You're right though, my vet has no idea what's going on, as I don't. Thanks, I'll look out for the squinting eye.
Pebbles is still holding his foot up 90% of the time. His front toe (the longest one) looks a bit black just around the nail base underneath (compared to the same area on his other toes and foot). I can't tell if it's his nail or toe that's black. I'll try to get a look tonight when I catch him for his anti-inflammatories.... maybe even a photo.
This little guy is the heart and soul of my flock! I hope he's going to be ok.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by starling on Oct 21, 2011 19:33:25 GMT
I've just checked out Pebs' toe. I've attached a photo. The nail on his big toe is turning black and is black underneath. It hurt him when I touched it. Does this mean his nail will fall off? Is this why he can't clasp his foot around perches - because of the pain? Attachments:
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Post by Hezz on Oct 22, 2011 0:56:52 GMT
I've just checked out Pebs' toe. I've attached a photo. The nail on his big toe is turning black and is black underneath. It hurt him when I touched it. Does this mean his nail will fall off? Is this why he can't clasp his foot around perches - because of the pain? I would say so, you said it hurt when you touched it, so putting his weight on the foot would not be comfortable. Did the vet check his foot? If it is an injury, I imagine any vet worth his salt should be able to treat it. As for losing the claw, I found the photo enlarged a little blurry to see properly, and I have never been in that situation, but if the worst comes worst, Pebbles willl be fine even without the toe (if things turned ugly ) Claws and nails have the same setup I imagine, so would guess that the same sort of trauma will cause them to drop.
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Post by nat on Oct 22, 2011 19:42:04 GMT
I've never been in that situation either, but my friends budgie had its toe bitten off last year by a love bird when the cages were too close together and although it was very sore for a while had no problems after it healed. He doesn't use his leg much when perching though. If Pebbles has injured his toe then maybe it wasn't the paint fumes after all?
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
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Post by starling on Oct 23, 2011 12:55:31 GMT
The vet checked his foot but at that point there was nothing visibly wrong with it. He could clasp his foot around her finger and stood on it for that short period we were there.
There doesn't seem to be any change to his toe today. Tonight will be his last anti-inflammatory drop (7 days). I'll just keep an eye on it after that. The vets is so expensive. I've spent nearly £100 so far on Ruby and Pebbles and I'm not working at the moment.
Yeh nat, that's what I'm hoping. I also hope this isn't permanent damage for Pebbles, but it's not looking good. If his nail drops off then the toe may heal and he might begin to use his foot again.
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Post by barrieshutt on Oct 23, 2011 13:17:01 GMT
Apply witch hazel to the toe to reduce swelling , swelling caused by catching his claw and pulling it appears, check out the birds claws are not overgrown
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