Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
chiprockskip
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 17, 2014 16:05:16 GMT
Thanks for that Hezz, yes they do have two seed pots well 3 if you count the unused one in Skippers cage. Two seed bells, two water/soup pots i give them two bits of carrot and still Skipper wants the one Rocky useing. Its red hot hear today and they've both had a bath Skipper reluctantly, i use a water spray Rocky absolutly love's it. Skipper only gets a couple of blasts and he's off but Rocky advances into the spray ! Wings held open yeah he love's it and now they've both fell asleep even Jaffa's just sitting in his bath i've never seen a canary do that he sits in the bath then pops out gets some seed then back in the bath its realy funny. Anyhow Skipper's had a reasonable day he was trying to be sick around lunchtime (that blows my excitement theory) he was a little but only a tiny amount and once he'd finished he was back to normal stright away. But then who am i to say what is and what isn't exciting to a bird let alone Skipper then thinking about it...lunchtime, he knows i come back and there's a chance of a tase of bread !! So the theory still stands for now. So thats it for todays Skipper report, i'm off to see a play tonight that'll make a change from being beat up. I'll see what they've been up to when i return. Thanks for reading this.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 18, 2014 0:37:44 GMT
It sounds more like a regurgitation than a vomit that he is doing, considering his actions after, but he doesn't bob his head up and down beforehand? Would you be able to get a video of this, maybe? Without seeing exactly what is happening it really is just a stab in the dark. Skipper sounds like a right little character, as many of these disabled birds quite often are.
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Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
chiprockskip
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 18, 2014 16:13:02 GMT
Yes he is, a little single minded perhapes food food food. Video ! well i've only seen him do it a few times myself. He almost seems like he wants to do it in private ! But wouldn't we all however the odd time i've seen him he done both, the head bobing and then somtimes he just sits there looking ill and opens his beak and out it runs. But i can say this when its head bobing its usely quite thick, a brown or creamy coloured paste. And i'd say more frequently its the open beak way and then its a milky liquid that runs out. I certainly will try to video it but you dont get much warning so even with the phone or camcorder to hand i fear my chances are slight. But todays Skipper report is fine, he can't sing like other budgies but today he's been trying he's ate alot and so far no sick. He's been preening so he looks good to. So all in all a realy good day for Skipper. I'm off to teach people how to hit each other with big sticks tonight so we'll see how he is apon my return. Thanks for reading this
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Post by budgiefriend on Jul 18, 2014 16:55:54 GMT
Skipper is a good little budgie. Hope it is just regurgitation. That's a good thing. It means he is happy.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 19, 2014 1:00:18 GMT
That's a very good description you have given; I am going to stick my neck out and say that the vomiting that goes with the head bobbing sounds more like regurgitation, but the other sounds a bit off, not quite right for the little fella. And not something I have experienced, so can't give you any hints or things to try either, sorry. If an avian vet is out of the question, I can only say make the most of him, as you never know what the future holds, which it sounds like you do anyway. He is lucky to have you.
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Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
chiprockskip
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 23, 2014 14:50:08 GMT
Thanks for all your kind words. And as i've said before it helps me to. Well it been a few days, Fir 18th was my last post so hear go's i'll keep it condenced. And this is the Skipper report, Sat not a good day for Skipper. More sick but mid afternoon this time but by 19.00hrs he was fine again.Sun a good day eating and mucking about with Rocky all day. Mon a bad day this time first thing and back eating again after 1.5 hrs. Tue good all day and today Wed good so far chaseing Rocky around trying to sing and he's learned to come to me for a lift on to the top of the door when Rocky flys up there to get away. And i have anouther theory every time he's been sick in the afternoon has been after ive given him a bath and the outher day i noticed that when he bends over to preen himself the feathers on his back part and i can see his skin his ploomage isnt anywhere near as thick as Rockys or Chippys was, the feathers dont lie flat there more like at 30 to 45 degrees also there dosnt seem to be any or very little under feathers (is that down) so maybe when i wet him he gets cold quick. I always use air'd water so it looks like no baths even in this hot weather. Is there anything i can do insted ? dust bath ? Any how i've got to go now he's at the bottom of the stairs calling for me so that means Rockys on top of the door and Skipper's looking for a lift. So thanks again for reading this and for your helpfull sugestions.
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Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 23, 2014 15:31:52 GMT
Just thought i'd add this, when i went down to have a look at them thay were having an adventure. Rocky and Skipper where in the hallway sunbathing well thats what it looked like. Its most unuseual because Rocky's strictly a living room bird that's his room and he's not leaving it. But there thay were, at the end of my hall way standing togehther in a patch of sunlight that streems throuhg the fornt door window.Thay both looked abit lost but thay made there way back into the living room, walking, never more than 6in apart. Rocky and Skipper best mates eh, untill there's millet or bread. Anyway i just had to tell you about that it made me smile to see them wadleing around i swear if thay'd been able to hold hands thay would have been. And its another exsample of Skipper enjoying his life he's not given in yet not by a long way. He seems to have come to terms with these episodes he's ill for a short time then he just gets on with life. A brave little bird and i so admire him it will break my heart if i ever have to take him to the vet for the last time. I'll do it because i wont see him suffer. However while he's still fighting, playing,exploring,eating and mucking about i wont give up on him. Because thats not the actions of a ill bird.
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Post by budgiefriend on Jul 23, 2014 22:52:45 GMT
What an adorable picture you paint, Rocky and Skipper walking hand in hand down the hallway. Skipper is not giving up, and I know you will not either. You both will know if the time comes. Hugs all around. Skipper is much too cute to be sick.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 24, 2014 2:14:38 GMT
So it is very much up and down for poor Skipper, but just another thought, not to do with his health, although long term it is, but do you get them into the sun at times for Vit D? It is important, and even though I live in the tropics and my birds bath, when they are in the sun is when they generally seem to really enjoy it. So for Skipper this could be a good time to give him a mist, allow him time to dry off completely before coming back inside. Just make sure they do have some shade to retreat to in case they get too hot. It may be why they were down the hallway sitting in the sun - don't they look so cute when they waddle around on the floor???
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Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 24, 2014 17:19:39 GMT
Yes thay do look cute Hezz and yet again thanks for your sugestion about sunshine. I do thake Skipper to the door like i did with Chippy but there's no risk with Skipper not being able to fly and after all his problems he seems more adventureus and curious but Rocky no way as i've said before he a living room bird and thats where he wants to stay then again if i took him outside in his big cage and sat with him he'd probably be alright after a while. I'll try it and let you know. And thanks to Budgiefriend for that about regurgitation this morning was a classic. So hears todays Skipper report, uncoverd them this morning and Skipper was still asleep and he stayed asleep untill i opend his cage door then he steped onto my finger (with him being so small and light and steping so slowly you hardly feel him at all), he looked good nothing down his front. So i put him in with Rocky and imedately he starts like he's tasting somthing then a couple of head bobs and out pops a blob of creamy paste with seeds in it he shakes this off and then makes a bea line to the millet after that he's been feeding with Rocky and playing, fine all day. So i take it thats a happy bird but yes now i know its easy to see the differance, this morning he was happy his head fluffed up running around. When its the milky stuff he go's all thin dose'nt want to move and looks unhappy as i've said this also lasts longer and takes him longer to recover. Maybe 2-3 hrs from start to finish, but then back to normal he can't stop eating then but his little tummy will be empty. But this dose mean that perhaps he's not been as i'll so often as i've been confuseing the regurgitation with being ill. This last week or so he's not wanted to leave Rocky's side and when i put them to bed he'll jump off his swing and climb round his cage looking for a way through to Rocky this is new behaviour perhaps the ACV is working and he's more energy to persue Rocky i know Rocky's having to use his wings more to get a break from Skipper. A question, will the vitimin D sunlight thing work through glass ? And i'd like to leave them in the same cage together overnight but i think it'll upset Rocky as Skipper will take the swing from him, will it ? Or will thay sort themselves out. There's room for them both on Rockys swing but Rocky wont stay on it with Skipper he just jumps off, most thay've managed is about 3-4 min's together. Two swings ? i think Skipper will be off and on to Rockys swing in a flash but it might be worth a try. I'd be happy for any advice or sugestions. Because i think Skipper would be happier but i dont want to upset poor old Rocky as i think he's somtimes gets a bit fed up with Skippers constant admirations. Thanks for reading this see you soon.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 25, 2014 2:14:44 GMT
Back again, and lovely to hear Skipper/Rocky tales. Firstly, Vit D they need to be in direct sunlight. Not through glass or perspex or any other barrier. Also regarding getting them into the sun, you really shouldn't leave them out there without supervision anyway. The threats are attack from raptors or cats mostly, but there is also the odd occasion when the cage has been blown over and the birds have escaped. Also it wouldn't surprise me, with Skipper being the personality he is, if he were smart enough to open the cage by himself! I peg the cage doors closed if I have mine outside in the little cage, just to play it safe. The two birds together? Get another swing and let them sort things out for themselves, is my advice. Occasionally two together doesn't work, but this is more often a territorial hen, or cocks fighting over a hen, than two good mates having to learn to share. It can be hard watching one be bossed about by the other, but regardless of how much you interfere this is going to happen anyway. I will sometimes interfere with mine and tell someone to be nice, but it is more for my sake than the bird's, I feel sometimes. If you can get another swing the same, well and good, but otherwise it doesn't really matter. And if you do put them in together to sleep, you may hear some squabbling at lights out while they jockey for position. Thi is all normal budgie behaviour. Good luck and can't wait to hear how it goes.
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Mar 31, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 26, 2014 15:24:35 GMT
Thanks again for the advice Hezz i think we'll try it first some sun not for long because its realy hot hear today and i dont think old Rocky'll like it, but we'll try and i wouldnt leave them. Then i'll have to make another swing, i make there swings myself out of hawthorn (baked) and plated string, the strings all natural stuff. So i'll pop an extra one in Rockys cage and see what happens. Funny thing is its Skipper dispite being the small ill bird who gets his own way and Rockys the one who backs down and lets Skipper have his own way. But for the most part thay get on fine. I took Skipper to the door again today and as soon as thay were out of sight of each other the calling started that double chirp,Skipper was realy loud and he's having a good day again its Rocky that seems to be having a hard time with the heat. So we'll see how we get on i'll let you know. Thanks for reading this.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 27, 2014 0:35:46 GMT
Tell Rocky to man-up; the sun is good for him. Silly boy. Just make sure they have a section of the cage in the shade where they can retreat to if they get too hot, and remember this is a good time to give them a spray also, they do seem to enjoy it more when they are in the sun. If you can't place the cage somewhere where they can get some dappled shade, I take a piece off a tree or bush and lay this over the cage, or peg to the side of the cage if the sun is lower. It seems to work well. The swing sounds a treat - nothing better than making these things yourself and seeing the birds enjoy them. Would love to see photos of the boys on their custom-made swings when you have them up and ......well, swinging.
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Post by chiprockskip on Jul 27, 2014 14:37:52 GMT
Ha for the best laid plans eh. Nothing happend my next door neighbours started a barbeque and i burnt the hawthorn in the oven but that'll be good i'll just have to sand it alot. Skippers been good (for him) but this morning poor old Rockys ill. I'm going to start a new thread for him i dont know if thats the done thing but it seems the right thing to do.
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Post by Hezz on Jul 29, 2014 1:36:30 GMT
It is the right thing to do, rather than add onto another - it can be missed that way. Hope Rocky is better though, and don't worry about leaving a bit of charcoal on the hawthorn, it is good for them on occasions and they will probably help themselves.
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