Nido's mutation query

[susara]

Hi everyone!!!

I hope that you are doing well?

I received Nido as a rescue when she was just a wee baby.  She is just about to turn 4 months old now.  I don't know much about budgie genetics, although I am fascinated by it.  

I must admit, I am very curious to know what type of Mutation Nido is.  

Would you be able to help me figure it out please? 

Here are some pictures of Nido to help identify her mutation.  If you would require more information, please let me know, I will gladly provide it

I realize that she looks kind of all yellow in some of these pictures, but I can assure you, she is a very light, bright green on her body, and this green also shines through on the wings.


 

[Marianne Marlow]

I'm torn between cinnamon dilute spangle, or a greywing dilute.

What do others think?

Hezz?

She's very pretty either way

[susara]

Thank you Marianne Marlow!

Forgive my question... I am very new to the whole budgie mutations and genetics, but I have read somewhere that the spangle gene will cause the dark/black parts of the wing feathers and the yellow/white part of the wing feathers to swap around, thus the wing feathers will appear yellow/white where the dark/black parts should have been and vice versa... When I look closely at her wing feathers, the dark parts, which in her case is green at her shoulders and goes lighter grayish to a tint of brown closer to the end of the wings are still surrounded by yellow. If I understood it correctly, the yellow should have been surrounded by the darker colors if she were to be spangle, or did I perhaps understand it completely wrong?

[Hezz]

She's not a spangle, but agree with the dilute. Not sure a budgie can be greywing and dilute - I'm pretty sure they can only be one or the other.

So, I'm going to say normal green dilute. If her wing markings are light brown rather than grey, she would be cinnamon, but the photos are showing up as grey to me.

[susara]

Hi Hezz!

Thank you for your response, it is highly appreciated.

I just have a little question, when she was still very young, someone had told me that it was too early to tell for sure, but that she looked like she might be an Opaline full body color greywing, because of the yellow suffusion into her flight feathers and her tail feathers that is yellow with a light greyish edge around them... Could this maybe be her true mutation?

I really don't know much about the genetics, but I am intensely interested and fascinated by it.

If I may - I would try to get better pictures of her flight feathers. When she was younger, these were a very dark gray, but as she is getting a little older, they have lightened and now a brownish-grey color is visible.

[samwiseg]

I am not great at genetics but would have said she was a greywing but leave it to the experts!

Besides, who cares what her mutation is SHE IS STUNNING! I think I'm in love with her

[susara]

Thank you samwiseg!!! I really do appreciate your comment and compliment . By the way, her personality is SUPER SWEET!!!

[samwiseg]

Apr 21, 2020 12:40:22 GMT susara said:

Thank you samwiseg!!! I really do appreciate your comment and compliment . By the way, her personality is SUPER SWEET!!!

You are so lucky! As henny bites can be a little sharper than the normal cock birds

[susara]

I have heard... but she has NEVER even tried to bite...not even when she went through her first molt.  She is super placid and sweet.  She loves to be the center of attention though... If you look at my Avatar - that is her when she realized that I was taking pictures of her... she stopped what she was doing and posed like that!

[Hezz]

Her markings are too light to be greywing, and yellow tail feathers fit in with her being dilute. Budgie colouring can be quite different as young birds and change with each of those first few moults. I don't see any opaline there but I am only looking at photos.

[susara]

Thank you for your explanation Hezz!!

If you don't mind, could you kindly explain how you would see Opaline in a budgie - if it were to be present?

[samwiseg]

There you are, told you to trust the experts

[Marianne Marlow]

I am a bit confused.

I initially thought she may be a Cinnamon dilute (Hezz are you sure they cannot be both?)

But her cheek patches still suggest greywing to me. They are lighter than a normal cheek patch but not as light as a dilutes, at least in the photos that you have shown anyway.

So perhaps a Cinnamon Greywing?

Pink feet would suggest cinnamon to me too

[Hezz]

Opaline budgies usually have reduced barring down their head and shoulders, with little to none between the wings. The bird's body colour (green, blue etc) also replaces the yellow or white on the wings. I'll post a photo of my own classic opaline, Spyro.

Marianne Marlow, I have looked through all the on-line info that I usually consult (and trust) and nowhere have I found a cinnamon dilute mentioned. In fact what I have found is the question most often asked is ... is the bird cinnamon or dilute? That, to me, means that a budgie can't be both. Cinnamon is a diluting gene in itself. Dilutes can also have pink feet - pink to grey and even both.

[Hezz]

Spyro, a violet opaline.