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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 15:55:56 GMT
Managed to get some photos, despite them staring warily at the evil phone that was about to eat them so that Yuki refused to turn around. Not sure they’re the best pictures. So I think Indie, the blue one, is a skyblue violet opaline. And from the breeder’s information and my own eyes I think Yuki is a violet cinnamon recessive pied. But I don’t know about factors or anything.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 9, 2020 18:21:40 GMT
So I think Indie, the blue one, is a skyblue violet opaline. And from the breeder’s information and my own eyes I think Yuki is a violet cinnamon recessive pied. But I don’t know about factors or anything. Nice photos and lovely budgies.
Indie: yes, I'd call it single factor violet skyblue opaline. (Double factor violet sky would be more visually violet)
Yuki: There's a lot going on here! I think in addition to how you and the breeder call it, as best I can tell from the photos, Yuki is also a dilute which accounts for the nearly absent wing markings, cheek patches and the pastel quality to the violet. So I'd call it... single factor violet cobalt cinnamon dilute recessive pied. A mouthful!
With this many mutations at play, most of them recessive, there are probably compelling arguments for other interpretations. For instance, I could make a case for Yuki being single factor violet mauve instead of cobalt. I'm trying to imagine, if this represents 50% of the color intensity because of dilution, what would 100% look like?
Hezz?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 18:31:36 GMT
yellowfacedviolet Thank you! Good to know about the factors. I don't know how Yuki will change when he moults. At first I thought he was grey until we had a sunny day. I was weighing up whether he was dilute or just had something else going on. My housemates call Yuki 'snowy owl's colour. I do have a video that briefly shows Yuki's parents.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 9, 2020 20:32:37 GMT
yellowfacedviolet Thank you! Good to know about the factors. I don't know how Yuki will change when he moults. At first I thought he was grey until we had a sunny day. I was weighing up whether he was dilute or just had something else going on. My housemates call Yuki 'snowy owl's colour. I do have a video that briefly shows Yuki's parents. These are interesting comments, @sillycat84. I was weighing dilute vs the diluting effect of cinnamon, and violet cobalt vs violet mauve. Given what you say, I'm going with my second guess, violet mauve. And sticking with dilute ... until someone has a better explanation.
When these recessive traits start piling up it can get mind-bending.
So in my revised opinion Yuki is: single factor violet mauve cinnamon dilute recessive pied.
Interesting about the video. What colors are the parents? Are both violets or just one?
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Aug 9, 2020 20:37:49 GMT
They do make a lovely pair! Keep pointing your camera at them even if you are not taking a picture. They'll get used to it and either ignore it or become curious about it. Either way it will be good when you want to catch that picture of them doing something cute.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 23:46:29 GMT
tweetiepiesmom I'll add it to the list of things to do! (I want another green...) yellowfacedviolet This is his mum feeding him: And his parents are the first pair shown here:
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 10, 2020 3:53:50 GMT
Thanks for posting those videos. Am I allowed to change my mind again back to my original thoughts?
Yuki's mom appears to be opaline cinnamon sky so mauve cannot be a possibility for Yuki. So I'm reverting back to my initial thoughts: single factor violet cobalt cinnamon dilute recessive pied.
And that's my final answer.
Unless it's violet grey...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 5:44:55 GMT
Might it be easier to tell once he moults?
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 10, 2020 16:18:54 GMT
Might it be easier to tell once he moults? I don't think so, but I've never owned or bred a dilute so I have no first-hand experience.
I cannot get a good fix on Yuki's father in the video given the angle and the shadowy lighting. I can deduce several of the mutatons at play based on Yuki and what I can see on the video, but from that angle I cannot see any patch of color on his chest/abdomen. Did the breeder ever describe him to you--what his mutations were?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:12:25 GMT
No, he didn't, but I can ask him.
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Post by ffiscool on Aug 10, 2020 17:52:43 GMT
They’re adorable. Lovely colourings
I had a search but couldn’t find it, sorry, you don’t have Munchy?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 20:53:52 GMT
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Post by ffiscool on Aug 10, 2020 21:33:25 GMT
Oh, I’ve not read so much, clearly. It’s weird, being at home more, I’m doing less
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 11, 2020 3:12:58 GMT
Thanks for posting this, @sillycat84
Well, whatever that patch of color is on his right shoulder holds the key. It's in shadow so I cannot tell for sure what it is, but it appears the same tone that's on Yuki. I'll be eager to hear what the breeder has to say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 6:55:42 GMT
ffiscool it was about half a year ago and I didn't really talk about it, so there's probably not anything to find. yellowfacedviolet I'll ask him what that colour looks like but he might just say violet. I don't know how in depth he goes with the genetics knowledge. I think it might be some shade of blue. Yuki's purple feathers appear to be grey further down the feather, but I can only vaguely see that when he lifts them to preen. I might have to wait until he sheds some.
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