Jul 21, 2020 16:27:07 GMT
Barry
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Post by Barry on Aug 22, 2020 18:47:38 GMT
This one has eluded me before. I got into this hobby with no knowledge at all. Was told the bugger was most likely a male, but that didn't stick very well. Now I'm trying to figure out what she is, apart from gorgeous. Partly for a mate, partly for my own studies. I present. I've been reading, so I have some suspicions, but also a lot of doubts. Pictures included with and without flash. If you have the time, I'd love to have you guys' take on this one.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Aug 22, 2020 18:54:43 GMT
Cutie indeed! Love the coloring!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 19:04:13 GMT
She's beautiful. We may require more photos in different lighting, if only to admire her. yellowfacedviolet I want to say... single factor spangle, single factor type 2 yellowface, something along the lines of either mauve or single factor violet cobalt, and query cinnamon.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 22, 2020 21:43:04 GMT
Definitely a hen!
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Post by birdguhl on Aug 23, 2020 0:35:38 GMT
Lacewing?
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Post by Hezz on Aug 23, 2020 1:15:22 GMT
Definitely spangle, this last photo does look like she may be cinnamon, could be just the flash ... are the markings black or brown, in reality, and does she have a yellow face or is she just a messy eater? I think I can see some yellow showing on her under-fluffies
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 23, 2020 3:22:41 GMT
She's beautiful. We may require more photos in different lighting, if only to admire her. yellowfacedviolet I want to say... single factor spangle, single factor type 2 yellowface, something along the lines of either mauve or single factor violet cobalt, and query cinnamon. She is indeed beautiful. And while the photos are lovely, I sense the warmth of light is creating some ambivalence about aspects of her mutations.
I'm with you, @sillycat84, that she's definitely single factor spangle. And very possibly single factor violet cobalt as well.
I have the same doubts and questions that Hezz has about yellowface and cinnamon. If she is indeed yellowface, though, I doubt it's type 2 SF or DF. Type 2 is a deeper yellow and with all those white feathers there would be more bleed, especially for SF type 2.
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Post by Hezz on Aug 23, 2020 9:07:16 GMT
I would have put her yellow face at SF type 1, if she does indeed have a yellow face. I'm not wading into her cobalt/violet colouring - not my forte at all!
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 23, 2020 15:33:33 GMT
I would have put her yellow face at SF type 1, if she does indeed have a yellow face. Agreed. That's the only remaining option given that IF she's yellowface at all the color is too pale for Type 2 SF or DF, and Type 1 DF is a white-faced bird. So SF type 1 it must be.
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Jul 21, 2020 16:27:07 GMT
Barry
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Post by Barry on Aug 23, 2020 17:34:48 GMT
Yeah you called it Marianne Thanks a bunch for the help so far! I'll include two more pictures without flash below (closest I could get to her). The reddish hue on her face is definitely tomato stains I've been unable to remove with my trusty spray bottle. She's a spangle and a visual violet, that much I know. I'm just very torn between greywing, lacewing, cinnamon, and the many yellowface types. Feet are annoyingly much between gray and pink, and her markings annoyingly much between gray and brown.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 23, 2020 18:34:19 GMT
She's a spangle and a visual violet, that much I know. I'm just very torn between greywing, lacewing, cinnamon, and the many yellowface types. Feet are annoyingly much between gray and pink, and her markings annoyingly much between gray and brown. Now that you've confirmed she's a visual violet, I think it's fairly certain she's a single factor violet cobalt. See my avatar for a double factor violet cobalt. The only other possibility is DF violet sky, but I don't see any turquoise in the region of the base of the tail feathers as you would see if that were the case, and her shade of color is consistent with SF violet cobalt.
I don't believe she's greywing--the markings are too dark and there's no evidence of that degree of dilution of body color that would come with greywing. She can't be lacewing since that's an Ino variant and she's certainly not Ino. That just leaves cinnamon and I don't see clear evidence of that either. If you are saying that the markings are more palpably brown than they seem in the photos, then cinnamon would be the only other factor in her mutation sequence...
...other than yellowface. And I'm confused by your yellowface comments. If the tone on her face is stain as Hezz and I suspected, why are you still unclear about yellowface? Is there yellow elsewhere on her that the camera is not picking up?
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Jul 30, 2020 13:49:13 GMT
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Post by Ellie on Aug 23, 2020 19:21:13 GMT
...other than yellowface. And I'm confused by your yellowface comments. If the tone on her face is stain as Hezz and I suspected, why are you still unclear about yellowface? Is there yellow elsewhere on her that the camera is not picking up? The orangey looking bit below her beak is probably a bit of stain, but I don't think the yellow is. It's very light, maybe slightly darker than my Benji's (and more widespread). If you do a zoom on the first picture (original post), it also looks like some of her tail feathers have yellow as well. It could be lighting, but I'm not sure. Barry I'm sure can confirm if they are or aren't
Isn't she beautiful?
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Jul 21, 2020 16:27:07 GMT
Barry
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Post by Barry on Aug 23, 2020 19:44:50 GMT
The yellow has spread to her wings and tail feathers, yes, but as you suspected it's impossible for my phone camera to pick up on it. So I'm torn between SF yellowface 1 but with some spread, or... yeah, there begins my confusion. Thanks for the education on violets yellowfacedviolet, and funny you should mention the turqoise in the tail base feathers; there is actually some of that visibly and on flash:
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 24, 2020 3:26:37 GMT
Okay, then she's SF Yellowface Type 1. SF Type 1 is pale, concentrated on the face and won't affect body color but will populate white areas on the wings and tail especially on white-winged/tailed birds--pieds, spangles etc. Usually just the extremities.
As for the turquoise: is it visible to the naked eye when you look at her or only in photos?
Do you know anything about her parents' mutations? Given that cinnamon is sex-linked, we could possibly solve that remaining issue that way.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Aug 24, 2020 16:06:54 GMT
Barry are the feet grey or pink? yellowfacedviolet, Hezz, @sillycat84, wouldn't the feet be an obvious pink if she was a cinnamon? They look grey in some photos and pink in others.
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