What breeds could i get?

[kingarthas]

I have these 2 buggies. Do i only get gray babies?
Female gray, violet male

[hitman]

It doesn't look like they are ready to breed at the moment. The females cere will normally turn brown and the males blue when they are ready.

I'm not 100% sure on what the offspring would be. I can only guess a bit of a mix?

You might get some colour not seen on both birds.

I'm not an expert on the colouring but have bred some budgies before when both birds where over a year old.

If you plan to breed them you will need to research on how to handle rejected chicks and how to feed. You may also have to burp the chicks aswell whick isn't something that's usually mentioned.

The right diet and vitamins is also needed for the pair.

Be prepared for loses of chicks. It's heart breaking but can happen. It's very difficult to hand feed chicks if the mother rejects them.

It's a rewarding experience but you have to provide the right environment and wait for the right time for things to go smoothly

[Marianne Marlow]

hitman the male is a recessive pied, so his cere wont go blue, it'll stay that purple colour.

But, the hen is definitely not in breeding condition yet.

As for what mutations you will get if they breed, yellowfacedviolet may or may not be able to shed some light. He may also be able to tell you what their current mutations are.

[yellowfacedviolet]

Sept 8, 2020 15:45:27 GMT kingarthas said:

I have these 2 buggies. Do i only get gray babies?
Female gray, violet male

Depends on  whether your hen is single factor or double factor grey, that is, whether she inherited grey factor from one or both of her parents. If she is double factor, yes, all of the chicks will be grey. If she's single factor grey, @50% of the chicks will be grey.

She's also opaline and  appears to be double factor goldenface. That means all chicks will be goldenface. None will be opaline unless you male is split to opaline, that is, if he's carrying a copy of the recessive opaline gene.

Your male appears to be a violet cobalt recessive pied. There will be no recessive pied chicks unless your grey hen is split to recessive pied.

The violet on your male appears to be single factor so that means @50% of the chicks will possess violet factor. If they are also greys, you won't see it. But if there are blue chicks, you will.

There are other recessive traits that might pop up--cinnamon, ino, dilute, etc-- but unless you know something about the parents, you won't know what they are until the chicks color up.

[kingarthas]

I called the grey bird’s breeder last night. He said she was born in early march. Her mother is a rainbow(he mistook with grey?) and Father is a full yellow (?)(actually first he said full yellow than lutino lastly full yellow? Might be pied?) It was hard to communicate with him due to his lack of language knowledge. I did my best to undertand

I have no idea for male violet’s parents

yellowfacedviolet

[yellowfacedviolet]

I can sort most of that out, but before I do, two questions:

1. First let's make sure your hen is actually grey and not mauve. Take a close look at the primary tail feathers. Are they definitely black or are they a very dark inky blue? I had this thought initially because her cheek patches aren't the right color for a grey. I explained it away to myself because of the effect of goldenface on the patches, but perhaps I explained it away too quickly.

2. When you say "might be pied', is that your breeder talking or you asking? I don't understand the relationship between the lutino statement and 'might be pied'. Lutino masks all other mutations except cinnamon so there's no such thing as lutino pied of any kind. A lutino CAN mask pied mutations, much the same way it can mask grey green (which, to tip my hand, is how a lutino cock can have a grey daughter.)

[kingarthas]

Sept 9, 2020 18:48:21 GMT yellowfacedviolet said:

I can sort most of that out, but before I do, two questions:

1. First let's make sure your hen is actually grey and not mauve. Take a close look at the primary tail feathers. Are they definitely black or are they a very dark inky blue? I had this thought initially because her cheek patches aren't the right color for a grey. I explained it away to myself because of the effect of goldenface on the patches, but perhaps I explained it away too quickly.

2. When you say "might be pied', is that your breeder talking or you asking? I don't understand the relationship between the lutino statement and 'might be pied'. Lutino masks all other mutations except cinnamon so there's no such thing as lutino pied of any kind. A lutino CAN mask pied mutations, much the same way it can mask grey green (which, to tip my hand, is how a lutino cock can have a grey daughter.)

1- I checked. Its pure black to me. It's night here. picture isn't clear but i added 

2- I am asking to myself , I didn't see father but he Literally said lutino than fully yellow. Grey bird has a number on her right leg. I called him and asked. 






Edit: I am sorry. I am continuously observing tail. I am adding 2 more photos i cant decide rightnow  I checked this www.cutelittlebirdiesaviary.com/mauve-and-grey.html  I had a headache.  Tomorrow I can provide high quality pictures If needed.

[yellowfacedviolet]

Okay. She's a grey. And, based on that and your breeder's comments, and to go back to your initial question, it's almost certain your hen is single factor grey and thus on average @50% of a clutch would be grey and @50% non-grey. If mated to your violet recessive pied, that would mean the other 50% would be blue series--sky, cobalt or mauve with the potential for some of them to be violet blue.

Regarding the other potential splits (recessives) you may encounter based on who the hen's parents were, a rainbow budgie presents several possibilities. These days some breeders call a lot of different combined mutations 'rainbow', but the classic rainbow is a combination of one of the yellowface mutations (I, II or goldenface), one of the blue series (see above), opaline, and clearwing or full body greywing. Your hen's mother already passed on yellowface and blue (all visual greys are masking blue) to her daughter. So if that hen was a classic rainbow, greywing or clearwing might pop up in a clutch-- if your violet pied is also split to one of those mutations.

Your hen's 'lutino' father is responsible for your hen being grey. All lutinos mask green series birds and all albinos mask blue series birds. So this lutino would have had to have been masking a goldenface grey-green that was split to blue and at least split to opaline, OR, more likely, he wasn't a lutino but rather a creamino which is a yellowfaced albino (that can also be solid yellow), and he was masking a grey bird. That would be the simpler path to winding up with a goldenfaced opaline grey daughter.