Jan 19, 2021 20:47:16 GMT
evelora
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Post by evelora on Jan 19, 2021 21:15:23 GMT
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Post by Hezz on Jan 20, 2021 0:30:39 GMT
I really think we need some better photos - in focus and closer-up, with natural lighting.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Jan 20, 2021 1:14:44 GMT
Yes, awfully hard to make a call on mutations from those photos.
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Jan 19, 2021 20:47:16 GMT
evelora
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Post by evelora on Jan 20, 2021 8:31:05 GMT
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Jan 19, 2021 20:47:16 GMT
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Post by evelora on Jan 20, 2021 8:32:23 GMT
I am so horible taking pictures, and they are on the move all the time.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Jan 21, 2021 4:15:03 GMT
I empathize regarding your photo skills. I'm terrible at it.
It's difficult to make a call with confidence, given the photos, but...
The pastel bird appears to be a Sky Blue Dilute.
The darker bird I first thought was a Cobalt Normal but in some of the photos there's a distinct brown cast to the wings markings. And the legs/feet appear pink. If both are the case, I'd say it's a Mauve Cinnamon.
But if to your eye the wing markings are clearly black/grey, it's a Cobalt Normal.
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evelora
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Post by evelora on Jan 21, 2021 9:55:46 GMT
Now they both have brown markings. Thought the male allmost looks that he doesnt have them at all anymore just a little. Needs a really good light to see them clearly. And hes like "rocket" allways moving and flying or comes right front of the phone and tries to sing to it. Female markings got even brownier after her huge molt. And her cere were pale blue but now its white Shes not tame at all, only for good snacks she comes to me and rushes away.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Jan 21, 2021 16:44:18 GMT
Now they both have brown markings. Aha! Well then, you have a Sky Blue Cinnamon Dilute and a Mauve Cinnamon.
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Post by Hezz on Jan 21, 2021 22:30:55 GMT
I did wonder about the brownish hue to the hen’s feathers, and I did think she was also looking a little on the mauve side but the photos are not good. Given your new info, I would have gone mauve cinnamon as well, for her. Doesn’t the pastel have a yellow face? Quite a yellow/golden one from this photo ... Would that change him from sky blue to cobalt, and what sort of yellow face would you call him? Looks golden to me, but I’m not the expert, and is it even male??
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Jan 22, 2021 3:39:54 GMT
Doesn’t the pastel have a yellow face? Quite a yellow/golden one from this photo ... Would that change him from sky blue to cobalt, and what sort of yellow face would you call him? Looks golden to me, but I’m not the expert, and is it even male??
I just enlarged that photo and....good catch, Hezz . Yes, definitely yellowface. It does look quite deep in shade there but very light on the first photo of him/her, when s/he's hanging on the bars. Based on these photos it would be sheer guesswork as to which of the 6 variations of yellowface it is, though we can eliminate DF Type 1, which is a white-faced bird.
I still think it's sky blue, in part based on the decidedly turquoise color at the base of the tailfeathers. For us fans of violets, it's one of the go-to diagnostic tips we have to distinguish between violet sky blues and cobalts.
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Post by Hezz on Jan 22, 2021 11:03:24 GMT
That first photo does look very washed out, but all the others show up quite brightly. I’d like to see a front-on photo to determine whether this is another hen or not.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Jan 22, 2021 20:14:43 GMT
I’d like to see a front-on photo to determine whether this is another hen or not.
Given that cinnamon, like opaline, is sex-linked, the odds favor her being a hen. There are so many more cinnamon or opaline hens in the world than cinnamon or opaline cocks simply because genetically there are twice as many ways to produce a hen than a cock with these mutations. Those are the odds, anyway.
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Post by Hezz on Jan 23, 2021 0:54:33 GMT
That is true; I always forget about the sex-linked mutations. She does look rather henny in the photos that we have.
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Post by evelora on Jan 23, 2021 19:02:55 GMT
Took forever to get 1 photo like this. My camera doesnt seem to be at its best anymore. Old phone He was supposed to be a hen, wanted just girl budgies. But awfully lot she or he, is mating and feeding my female, who is douple of hes size. lol Or not douple just much bigger. Got little yellow on hes wings too, and missing those dark spots on the face too. She or he, gender remains mystery to me. Even she/he acts like a total male. Think it can happen with 2 female budgies? They been together since they were little.
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Post by Hezz on Jan 24, 2021 0:58:43 GMT
Shocking photo again But regardless, I do think this one is a hen as well. Yes, you definitely can get a dominant hen in a cage of hens who takes on a seemingly male protector role just as you can get males who will take on the hen role in an all-male cage. We had a member a while back who had two hens who went through the whole mating and laying ritual. You may find, if that hen continues in this role, that she never gets her crusty brown “in breeding condition” cere.
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