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Post by mona on Jun 11, 2021 5:53:37 GMT
Very well explained facts above! Fishes do eat their own babies too. I guess sharks too..
I would disagree about having a favorite among pets or kids, even plants.. I might provide attention to a sick bird more than other at times, but each birdie gets the same amount of love, care, attention and pampering without bias - no matter how the behavior is. Same goes with kids. I always end up feeling guilty, if I can't give one or both of them enough attention or care.
Love is unconditional & unbiased! ๐งก
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 11, 2021 9:59:13 GMT
We are not a jury, just people that care about budgies.
It's quite alright to share Blogs on the forum.
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Post by mona on Jun 12, 2021 21:09:16 GMT
If I can suggest, try getting some natural branches of different thickness for your aviary.. those perches aren't healthy for your buds.. Neem tree is easily available in most parts of India. It's used for bird aviaries throughout India and confirmed by Vet & breeder as safe tree. The neem tree fruit isn't good for them though, esp if frequently ingested. You could wash the natural branches with hot soapy solution and rinse with vinegar mixed in water.. let it dry under the sun and then add it to your aviary.
Not all trees are bird safe, so be sure about the tree before getting it for your budgies..You can also get screw on food bowls which you can keep towards the top instead of bottom.. and try to clean it frequently. Do remove the nest boxes after this one..
Also, powder coating is pretty cheap in India. I had some places in one of the old cage developing rust, so we got it powder coated.. I did wait for a day though before letting birdies use it (being doubtful about the smell) and cleaned it once with vinegar water too.. You could look into it.. rust ingestion could cause poisoning in birdies..
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Post by mona on Jun 13, 2021 10:41:14 GMT
Maybe separate the parents if they are mating again. It's not healthy for the birdie mum.
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Post by cierlo on Jun 13, 2021 12:17:44 GMT
It's not a prison if it's important for her well-being. It's always important to think about how you will separate budgies if you have to. If your hens were the type to fight each other, for instance, then they would need to be permanently separated. If you think your spare cage is too small for long term living then you need to consider investing in a larger one or a second larger enclosure.
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 13, 2021 12:44:16 GMT
Cant be cruel to place her in prison cell but ill ensure she does not lay eggs that can be hatched. Have you removed the nest box
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Post by mona on Jun 13, 2021 15:46:37 GMT
I don't see how will you prevent laying egg, if they are already mating? As per my understanding, I don't think you would know until she starts laying eggs. Would you be destroying the eggs and replacing them with fake ones? Wouldn't the egg generation be a toll on her body again?! You could end up with dead baby chicks again as a consequence. Wouldn't it be an exploitation instead of the mum budgie to be a baby budgie machine? How would introducing other pair help them not laying eggs? Didn't they have kids even with blondie around? How's the diet for your birds like? Is it high protein? How much uninterrupted sleep time do they get? Do they also eat sunflower seeds? If so, cut on sunflower and other oily seeds used for breeding birds. Increase the sleep time to 12 to 14 hours to keep them less hormonal. Marianne Marlow rescued a budgie which was unfortunately used as a breeding machine & is not able to gain her posture or fly right now. She is working hard to get her back to life. I hope you have read the thread about Penny. We call the spare cage as the hospital/travel/well being cage. There are tough situations which need tough decisions. Isn't that same with life?!
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 13, 2021 16:29:55 GMT
Not only that, the mum could get egg bound, or be too weak and not survive herself
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Post by Hezz on Jun 13, 2021 22:02:06 GMT
The production of eggs will take a large toll on her body, not just the rearing of chicks. You may need to be more proactive in stopping the breeding cycle. Mix up everything in her cage, separate her from the male - neither will like it but better a month or two of frustration than an unhealthy, possibly even dead, hen. New perches, move the food pots around, even get different types, shorten her days artificially - a darkened room with heavy curtains to give the illusion of longer nights. All of these can help break the breeding cycle.
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Post by mona on Jun 14, 2021 5:43:40 GMT
For your own birdie, fertilized vs non fertilized egg - both will require same amount of energy and nutrition. I have a female budgie Cookie with a male budgie breezie. She has not laid eggs so far in past 1.5 years, by adjusting her diet and sleep hours. Same was done when breezie had been hormonal.. So far I have been able to prevent them laying eggs with these steps.. when situation demanded, have separated them too for a while to calm down.
Even when not mating, you have to take care that she doesn't lay infertile eggs. For that, she should be kept busy. I had sent you a list of the toy vendors and products that can be bought for your birds. There's no activity inside the cage for their engagement. To distract, you should add some toys. My female likes to watch TV too and she would scream sometimes when I'm watching something on my mobile (even if non budgie).. so I have to see anything along with her.. she loves Rio animation song.. you need to keep them busy, to distract them.
How would a human female be, if she has kids every year?
Also, if I recall correctly, the male budgie parent is the dad of female..right? They shouldn't be allowed to breed anyways..
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Post by blueelephant on Jun 14, 2021 5:45:50 GMT
Chickens have been selectively breed by humans to do this. The genes for laying a daily egg regardless of whether it has been fertilised have become more frequent in the population as a result of humans actions rather than evolution.
A budgie may still lay infertile eggs in the absence of a male but the chances of this are much lower than in chickens that have been selectively breed specifically for this trait. So essentially it is a game of probability. By separating the pair you are reducing the chances of your female laying lots more eggs and you are increasing the opportunity she has to improve her health.
To allow the female the greatest chance of breaking the egg laying cycle you need to take the measures Hezz has described. Separation of male and female but also cage rearrangement and 12-14 hours dark each night. Birds do not tend to lay eggs in winter when the nights are long so you need to make her think the seasons have changed.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 14, 2021 7:59:47 GMT
"So she is going to lay eggs whether separated or not"
If you are talking about your budgie hen with this point and not a chicken, then you are incorrect. Budgie hens do not continuously lay eggs unless they are given the right conditions to do so, ie dark spaces/nest box.
In some circumstances they might, but it's not that common.
I have had 7 hens in the last 12 years and only one has ever laid an egg, one single egg, in my home.
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Post by mona on Jun 14, 2021 12:22:14 GMT
I have my male budgie in a separate cage since a month to heal his leg injury. It's similar to a person being in a hospital to heal than being ill at home, as per human analogy.
Having a budgie in a separate cage for a month or so is better than unhealthy budgie or budgie with a sad end.
Though completely against it, still since I see her laying eggs again due to your insistence, at least add liquid calcium to her diet and cuttlefish bone, mineral block etc, increase the sleep time by covering aviary artifically, add some toys for engagement..
No one here is very adamant as per the written rule book & have suggested a lot of things. It's your choice to follow or not ultimately. I pity your female budgie unfortunately.
However, apart from that, before releasing your gorami in a lake, take advice from respective experienced people. As far as I know, they can't survive in slightly different water too. Releasing him there could be equivalent to killing him. Get in touch with a zoo or animal rescue. Please think well before adopting or buying a pet in future about their needs and future, so that you don't end up with this.
" One of the animal rescue centre contact in Jaipur:ย ย We for animals - 0141 276 0803. Please don't release your gorami in a lake!"
I have no idea what do you want the advice for, when you don't believe what anyone says over here. Sorry, can't help further. It's better to avoid this thread for me then, than to hear about some birdie health being ignored.
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 14, 2021 13:33:52 GMT
by removing the nests etc, whether they look unhappy or not, is the right thing.
Let's hope with no nest available or anything that could be construed as a nest (they are devious in finding things), that the female does not lay more.
if you google both liquid calcium and mineral block, you will see what Mona is referring to.
re what you said earlier:
If i may add during my career when i kept my Budgies in smaller cages on account of the limitation of place in one's home, i felt quite guilty and unhappy at making them lose their freedom of movement and flight.
why then did you even have them, if you could not allow them flight?
It is not a question on mandatory advice, but you have come on here wanting advice and those who are giving it, say what they have knowledge of. Of course it is your choice, everyone's own choice what you follow or not. But the fact that some of the posts seem to go into a sort of debate, makes it seem at times, you actually do not want any advice.
Good luck with the Gorami.
I hope that the female budgie does indeed have a good break from laying eggs.
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Post by mona on Jun 14, 2021 13:48:20 GMT
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