Jun 10, 2020 8:00:19 GMT
cierlo
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Post by cierlo on Jun 14, 2021 14:59:14 GMT
In the wild food resources and similar in the area would deplete and the female would have to stop nesting to move on. That doesn't happen in captivity. Birds in the wild rarely have more than 2 clutches a year, if they even have more than one. When it comes to pets, especially as healthcare improves as it has with humans, there is no survival of the fittest, beyond any artificial selection by the breeders, but that is not necessarily for traits that would allow survival in nature.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 14, 2021 22:32:02 GMT
I will admit to being time-poor this morning and not reading through everyone’s comments thoroughly. I’m going to comment anyway …
A budgie hen can and will lay eggs without a male present … IF SHE SO DESIRES!. Hens can and do get into a breeding cycle mode that can be very hard to break, but without doing so you risk the life of that hen. I have one such hen, it took me almost two years of constant changes to finally be sure that she wasn’t going to try to breed again, most of that time she was removed from her mate. Because of this she now is disabled due to calcium leeching from her body to provide suitable eggs. So, no, a budgie hen does not require a male to be around to begin laying, on the odd occasion this can happen with a single budgie hen.
Laying a fertilised egg is no more taxing on a hen’s body than an unfertilised egg. both require the same amount of input, just that one has a full set of genes, the other does not.
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Apr 20, 2024 4:51:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 3:58:26 GMT
by removing the nests etc, whether they look unhappy or not, is the right thing. Let's hope with no nest available or anything that could be construed as a nest (they are devious in finding things), that the female does not lay more. if you google both liquid calcium and mineral block, you will see what Mona is referring to. re what you said earlier: If i may add during my career when i kept my Budgies in smaller cages on account of the limitation of place in one's home, i felt quite guilty and unhappy at making them lose their freedom of movement and flight. why then did you even have them, if you could not allow them flight? It is not a question on mandatory advice, but you have come on here wanting advice and those who are giving it, say what they have knowledge of. Of course it is your choice, everyone's own choice what you follow or not. But the fact that some of the posts seem to go into a sort of debate, makes it seem at times, you actually do not want any advice. Good luck with the Gorami. I hope that the female budgie does indeed have a good break from laying eggs.
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Jun 10, 2020 8:00:19 GMT
cierlo
Brand New Budgie
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Post by cierlo on Jun 15, 2021 5:33:08 GMT
Actually the vast majority of us have budgies indoors in a cage. They get let out to fly around the house. Nothing difficult or amazing or special about that. It's normal.
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Post by ffiscool on Jun 15, 2021 10:07:34 GMT
As Cierlo said, it’s the majority that have budgies indoors in cages, but they’re allowed free flight. My last property was tiny, my budgie was out of his cage all the time I was there, only going in when I wasn’t. But if I’d not been able to let him fly, I’d never have bought him, they need flight.
It’s irrelevant what continent you live on, it’s what you do in your own home. You had a few by the sounds of that were in small cages. You felt guilty, you said, but it was your choice.
I’ve come to the conclusion that really what you’ve come on here for, is a small amount of advice, but mainly for debate. Shared views on the welfare of our budgies is the main part of why most of us are on here, not to debate things. Your posts seem to provoke that, this is just my opinion by the way.
I wish you luck with all your pets going forward. I’m not willing to be drawn anymore.
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Post by mona on Jun 15, 2021 10:31:26 GMT
Pearl millet should be given in limited quantity only during winters.. However, sudden change in seed diet might upset their stomach. I mix half of their old seed mix and half new one and slowly keep on reducing old seed mix over a week. At the end of week, if their poop seem normal, then they can be transitioned to 100 percent new seed mix. The seedmix should have the ingredient list and the amount of protein fat etc. If you could use amazon, Vitapol - economic seedmix for small birds is a seedmix which is non fatty, if you pick out the sunflower seeds. If you need the link to that, let me know. It has been promoted at the Indian Avian society events too by many breeders and vets. You can search for this Avian society of India on facebook. Birds should have 25 to 30 percent seed diet and rest should be pellets, fresh green leafy veggies, fresh grass (better homegrown)..
Not Organic salt , but Organic Himalayan Pink salt specifically.. sea salt is fatal to them. If you go through the amazon links above and read the product description you would be able to see.
Apple cider vinegar should be Organic unfiltered raw apple cider vinegar 'with the mother'. Most bird owners use Bragg Apple cider vinegar. In my previous post, I had mentioned the qty and frequency - 3 drops in 100ml - overnight water. During summer, indoors I change the water 3 times a day to avoid bacterial development. Please read the benefits of apple cider vinegar for birds on google to understand more about it. Bragg is available via Big basket too, if you don't want to use Amazon.
Cuttlefish bone, mineral block, himalayan pink salt is used as per their body requirements. They might not use it everyday, but once in a while as they body demands. Any supplement mixed in food or water shouldn't be left for too long. Based on weather, you should be able to make a call. I remove it within an hour during summers. I keep their food in a non poop zone. If it gets pooped on, it gets immediately changed. I use those seeds to grow grasses and other food to make compost. Now, have moved their food & water bowl to the top of the cage so it doesn't get pooped on, unless they poop in it.
I have learnt most of this info, from this forum itself..
I'm not an exception in taking out birdies.. I have seen many Indian people, though younger generation, doing that on Instagram. It's just an old perception that hasn't changed yet, but changing now..
A debate is useful when the pro and con both have valid points.. You seem not to know about the basic care and diet of the birdies, even if your intention is good. Half knowledge is dangerous always. This one seems more of an argument than a debate. It's mentally exhausting, so please reach out to me out of this thread for any other info - URL/contact info,etc related to birdies..
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Post by mona on Jun 15, 2021 15:37:09 GMT
This doesn't feel right, so I have to speak up : I'm an Indian and I never felt anyone hostile towards me, my culture, religion, dialect, etc, on this forum or at work with foreign clients. Please don't write something which isn't true, at least for this space.
I have never bothered about the number of views and likes, but about the condition of my birds - that's what this forum is for. Reach, likes, views, comments are for facebook, instagram and similar platforms. To stay or not, learn or not for your birdies is your decision entirely.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 15, 2021 17:38:27 GMT
@indrajitbudgielover No one is ganging up on you or bullying you and I am sorry you feel that way. Please reply to this message with a simple "yes" if you want me to delete your account and I will do so.
Thank you.
Marianne
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Post by Hezz on Jun 16, 2021 1:27:53 GMT
Age, race or religion does not, should not even enter into any of this, but culture certainly does as different cultures have different views on what is acceptable and what is not with regard to the welfare and care provided to any animal, whether that be pet or produce. As long as the animals are given proper care and attention, we should not be trying to force our ideas on any one else. A little bit of tolerance goes a long way towards good relations; let’s not be so quick to judge. An example: Most people, probably all people, with a dog in the UK will have that dog living in their house with them. That’s the way the culture has evolved - from a central area with roaring fire where humans and animals all slept to make the most of the central heat source. In Australia it has only been very recently (imported thinking and the new situation of yuppies with their “fur babies”) that you would find a dog inside the house. Some of you will be thinking “the Aussies are finally becoming civilised”. Not in my house - no stinky dog is finding a seat on my sofa thank you very much!! . Someone will be thinking “they don’t need to be stinky”, well then substitute stinky for hairy, because most (not all) dogs, and cats, leave hair everywhere. Emotions need to be kept out of these posts, along with personal sniping at one another. This forum is not about any one of us humans; it’s about the budgies. Let’s keep it civil.
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Apr 20, 2024 4:51:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 3:42:43 GMT
Marianne, Hezz - wish everyone here had the maturity , understanding and sobriety to know what lengths to go in expressing disapproval or annoyance with a members reaction to what you have to say, which both of you have. For a period i really enjoyed being here and learning some valuable lessons and even changing some fundamental views on nature. But im basically a story teller and that didnt seem to evoke the right responses though the following looked impressive. Frankly when i began to have sleepless mornings on waking up recalling the offending comments and attitude of some i decided that though valuable i was not suited to enjoying this forum. Please accept my thanks for initially welcoming me and tolerating my attitude but my answer to your question marianne is YES.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 16, 2021 6:38:25 GMT
Member deleted at their request and thread locked.
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