Feb 14, 2021 10:13:40 GMT
kyro
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Post by kyro on Apr 21, 2021 9:05:30 GMT
Hello! I have a budgie that is certainly not dominant pied as none of her parents were. Still, the bottom of the belly is spoted, and there is also a spot on its holder. I thought that since he was a yellowface it might look that way. He also has several siblings who can also see these spots. Have you ever encountered a similar case?
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Apr 21, 2021 20:56:58 GMT
Sorry I can't help with your questions but he's a very pretty color!
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Apr 21, 2021 22:38:57 GMT
What mutations were the parents? And are you sure they were the parents?
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Feb 14, 2021 10:13:40 GMT
kyro
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Post by kyro on Apr 22, 2021 10:28:39 GMT
I’m sure of his parents as I keep them in pairs. His father is in the first picture. His color I think is: cinnamon, type 2 yellowface, sky blue. His mother is seen in the upper left corner of the second image. Unfortunately, she is no longer alive. Her color I think is: type 1 yellowface, opalin, spangle, cobalt blue.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Apr 22, 2021 11:50:23 GMT
yellowfacedviolet I think I asked this before, but is there such a thing as a pied spangle? If so, is he one?
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Apr 25, 2024 4:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:06:16 GMT
Pippin's a dominant pied spangle, as far as I can see by looking at him. yellowfacedviolet I think I asked this before, but is there such a thing as a pied spangle? If so, is he one?
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Apr 22, 2021 21:12:29 GMT
Pippin's a dominant pied spangle, as far as I can see by looking at him. yellowfacedviolet I think I asked this before, but is there such a thing as a pied spangle? If so, is he one? Yes, Marianne Marlow, there is such a thing and we're looking at one now, as @sillycat84 correctly has it.
I wish I could see the hen from the front because that sure looks like a pied spot on the back of her neck.
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Apr 25, 2024 4:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 6:55:45 GMT
I was wondering what the heckity I was looking at if pied, spangle, and opaline couldn't be combined.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Apr 23, 2021 8:10:32 GMT
Can you post a photo of Pippin? Pippin's a dominant pied spangle, as far as I can see by looking at him. yellowfacedviolet I think I asked this before, but is there such a thing as a pied spangle? If so, is he one?
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Apr 25, 2024 4:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 9:04:32 GMT
This is probably the best I have without handling him to take one. Can you post a photo of Pippin? Pippin's a dominant pied spangle, as far as I can see by looking at him.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Apr 23, 2021 9:53:39 GMT
Wow, beautiful. Thanks for the photo. They're both stunning This is probably the best I have without handling him to take one. Can you post a photo of Pippin?
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Apr 25, 2024 4:55:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 11:00:36 GMT
Welcome! He is gorgeous, just very loud when he's hungry. Wow, beautiful. Thanks for the photo. They're both stunning This is probably the best I have without handling him to take one.
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Post by Hezz on Apr 24, 2021 0:45:00 GMT
The poster did say he was a yellow face. I’m sure I’ve read of birds that have the pied patch on the back of the head but no other pied markings, so I went looking and found this: One last area of identification of Pieds which can be confusing is the bird with only a head spot and no other Pied markings. Again there is no foolproof method except for test mating. which comes from this article: users.tpg.com.au/users/kyorke/p225.htm
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Apr 24, 2021 2:01:27 GMT
I’m sure I’ve read of birds that have the pied patch on the back of the head but no other pied markings, so I went looking and found this: One last area of identification of Pieds which can be confusing is the bird with only a head spot and no other Pied markings. Again there is no foolproof method except for test mating. which comes from this article: users.tpg.com.au/users/kyorke/p225.htm
Yes, I recall running into this before on this forum, and also discussing one of Marianne Marlow 's girls who had a pied patch and only a slight indication of a partially clear flight feather or two. Pied is by definition variable, and we humans have complicated things over the years by assigning names to certain patterns that aren't fixed or entirely reproducible...Dutch, Banded etc.
Some oldtimers maintain that birds with a pied patch on the back of the head and no other indication of pied were telling us they were split to recessive pied. I've always questioned this and instead think that such a bird is a dominant or clearflight pied with incomplete expression.
Even the pied patch can be very variable in size.
On the subject of pied variability, in this case, clearlfight pied: from Taylor and Warner's "Genetics for the Budgerigar Breeder"
"The Clearflight Pied has two main characteristics: a clear patch at the nape of the neck and, ideally, completely clear primary flight and long tail feathers. All other features are normal. However, few birds approach the ideal; most show considerable variation in the extent of the clear areas. The nape spot is almost always present, but it varies considerably in size, affecting just one or two feathers in some birds or extending well down the back and round into the breast on others. It is these latter birds, with extensive clear areas on the breast, that are known as Dutch Pieds. While well-marked Clearflight Pieds have all 10 primaries and both long tail feathers clear, many specimens show just a few clear flight feathers and occasionally none at all are affected"
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Apr 24, 2021 10:14:50 GMT
Complicated little fellows aren't they. It's Iris that has a patch and also a partially clear flight feather.
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