Penny's mutation

[Marianne Marlow]

I'm pretty sure she is violet, but she has such odd markings that I am not sure about the other bit.

I thought she was opaline at first with a bit of flecking, but she doesn't have that clear V at the nape of the neck.

@sillycat84 and yellowfacedviolet what do you think?

And anyone else that is!

[Deleted]

I would say violet cobalt, possibly even double factor. Her wings appear white rather than violet, so opaline seems doubtful to me.

Tail feather colours?

[Marianne Marlow]

Oh right

She doesn't have any tail feathers, so can't confirm colour of those

May 4, 2021 16:29:32 GMT @sillycat84 said:

I would say violet cobalt, possibly even double factor. Her wings appear white rather than violet, so opaline seems doubtful to me.

Tail feather colours?

[Deleted]

Aww, love her.

To me, from what I can see, she's a violet cobalt normal

[Marianne Marlow]

Bearing in mind that she's possibly 5 years old. Her head markings are very odd for a normal though.

May 4, 2021 16:44:26 GMT @sillycat84 said:

Aww, love her.

To me, from what I can see, she's a violet cobalt normal

[Marianne Marlow]

Violet normal?

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The patchiness of the colour of her head markings throws me off slightly, but her wings appear normal.

Maybe she has a bit of a mix going on or something I've not heard of.

[Marianne Marlow]

Best photo of her tail coverts I could get.

[Hezz]

If I’m allowed to butt in, those photos show up to me as opaline. The violet is across her shoulders. Opalines will generally show more white on their primaries than a normal mutation. I think the flecking on her head disguises the normal opaline “V” to some extent.

[ron]

Hi, I know you mentioned opaline earlier and seems to have been discounted but would the larger area of white on the long flights not point to opaline.Been a while since thought much about mutations etc so could be well off but sure I remember it was a trait of opaline to have larger area of white tham normal quick edit sorry typing up as Hezz pointed it out too

[yellowfacedviolet]

Yes, definitely violet cobalt and very likely double factor violet cobalt. And I agree with Hezz about opaline.
So..opaline double factor violet cobalt.

[Deleted]

I need more experience with normal budgies to see the difference it seems. Paying too much attention to the wings and less to the shoulders. Better eyes have confirmed it.

[ron]

Bang on Ira a lot is simply down to experience, saying that I've known world championship breeders who have got it wrong at times For this bird the violet cobalt wasn't really up for discussion single or double yeah certainly go with double once decided she was opaline which can also dull/soften body colour, its been noted over the years in opalines and more so in show type birds the emergence of heavier markings at times between the wings not less, so I looked for any other defining characteristics of an opaline and the larger area of white on the flights stuck out right away. I'm pretty rubbish at this really my memory like a sieve but every now and then remember a few things haha

[Deleted]

I didn't know about the area of white on the wings being larger. That's interesting to know.

I had one green series normal when I was younger and did have a normal yellowface but he's not with me to compare. Other than that I have an opaline but the other three are all pieds, so no way to compare the markings.

[Marianne Marlow]

I currently only have one normal, Bertie.

Thing is that Penny has odd markings, so she does look quite confusing. I did initially think opaline, but I was used to the opaline markings being different.

May 6, 2021 7:16:07 GMT @sillycat84 said:

I didn't know about the area of white on the wings being larger. That's interesting to know.

I had one green series normal when I was younger and did have a normal yellowface but he's not with me to compare. Other than that I have an opaline but the other three are all pieds, so no way to compare the markings.