Feb 6, 2021 16:27:03 GMT
opalbirdie
Brand New Budgie
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Post by opalbirdie on Sept 8, 2021 17:04:18 GMT
It does look like there is a small amount of discharge in the first photo, and now you have confirmed it. A normal eye irritation can be eased with a damp tepid black tea or chamomile tea bag used as a compress. If the vet thinks it necessary they may give you a topical ointment to put into the eye. If you do go down this track, make sure you do not actually touch the eye with the nozzle of the tube as this will contaminate your ointment and keep the infection occurring. Hezz - interesting that black tea bags can be used this way! knowing that black tea contains caffeine - that's not an issue when using it as a compress? thanks for the reminder to be careful not to contaminate the tube nozzle. i am hopeful i wont have to do this! i've been reluctant to handle her too aggressively lest she start to distrust my hands - of course i'll do it if i need to, but fingers crossed the baytril will knock this thing out and we can get back to normal birdie programming
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Sept 8, 2021 17:45:44 GMT
She sounds like a wonderful vet! Hopefully the treatment in the water will work and you won't have to "grab" her to apply medicine. If it happens that you have to grab her, I've done it in the past. My timid guy took 3-4 weeks to forget it. My tame friendly guy took 1-2 weeks to get hand friendly again, so it won't set the taming back badly. It is better if you can avoid that. Good luck!
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Post by willowsmum on Sept 9, 2021 0:52:08 GMT
Glad the vet visit was a positive experience opalbirdie. I hope that she continues to improve. I love her little bell hat btw! Maybe it's a bit like putting on your comfy pyjamas at the end of a stressful day
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Post by Hezz on Sept 9, 2021 1:00:06 GMT
My second thought that comes with eye infections is the possibility of it actually being a sinus infection. You don’t want that, believe me. Do you see any swelling of her cere nearest her eye? This is an almost sure sign of it being sinus based rather than eye. Make sure you clean all the surfaces in her cage whenever you see her wiping her eye. F10 in a spray bottle or the wipes are the best for keep reinfection from happening.
Re the teabags containing caffeine, remember that she is not ingesting any of the tea, and both can help soothe any irritation. If you are not happy flushing the eye with a bought saline solution you can also make your own. Nine grams of table salt (I would actually make it eight to keep it safe) into a litre of water and have it on a rolling boil, covered, for 10 minutes. That makes a normal saline solution as found in a hospital situation.
I wouldn’t be making any bets over the BAytril clearing up the infection, and if it is the sinus that is the problem you are going to need something a lot more hard-core and long term.
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Feb 6, 2021 16:27:03 GMT
opalbirdie
Brand New Budgie
Posts: 32
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Post by opalbirdie on Sept 12, 2021 0:45:24 GMT
My second thought that comes with eye infections is the possibility of it actually being a sinus infection. You don’t want that, believe me. Do you see any swelling of her cere nearest her eye? This is an almost sure sign of it being sinus based rather than eye. Make sure you clean all the surfaces in her cage whenever you see her wiping her eye. F10 in a spray bottle or the wipes are the best for keep reinfection from happening. Re the teabags containing caffeine, remember that she is not ingesting any of the tea, and both can help soothe any irritation. If you are not happy flushing the eye with a bought saline solution you can also make your own. Nine grams of table salt (I would actually make it eight to keep it safe) into a litre of water and have it on a rolling boil, covered, for 10 minutes. That makes a normal saline solution as found in a hospital situation. I wouldn’t be making any bets over the BAytril clearing up the infection, and if it is the sinus that is the problem you are going to need something a lot more hard-core and long term. Thanks for this, Hezz. I am not convinced the baytril is doing much for her although perhaps it's not "getting worse" - but it doesn't appear to be improving much either. We started treatment Tuesday evening although realistically she did not drink much until Wednesday morning - so we're at four days now. If she's not looking markedly improved by Monday morning I'll be calling the vet back for sure. I don't see any swelling of cere at all, no swelling at all in any anatomy that I can tell. Her feathers are a bit gunked up around her eye which makes her eye look more prominent, but in comparison to the other side there's no actual swelling or deformity anywhere. I've got some F10 but I've been reluctant to mix it, I do have a clean spray bottle for it though. I will do that tomorrow. Is it okay even on wood/branch perches? Should those be allowed to dry thoroughly before putting back in the cage? As for eye flushing - is it really ok to just squeeze saline over these tiny eyes? I'm so worried to cause her more harm, plus I'd hate to get any in her nose. Maybe that's not the worst thing ever if it's sterile saline?
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Sept 12, 2021 3:45:22 GMT
You can use the F10 on branches/perches and yes, let them dry befor putting them back in the cage.
I would be very careful not to get the solution in her nostrils although I'm not sure if it would harm her. My Buddy had a respiratory problem and the vet gave ne nose drops for him. She told me to put a drop on each nostril and make sure he sucked it in as he breathed. Birds don't have lungs like we do so won't drown. They have multiple air sacs. On the safe side, its better to not have her inhale anything not needed.
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Post by Hezz on Sept 12, 2021 6:22:17 GMT
Birds do have lungs as well as air sacs so you don’t want to get fluid into the lungs. Because of the difference in the way birds’ lungs work (compared to mammals they are more efficient) any aspiration of fluid can be more dangerous to the bird. If I need to wash out an eye, I use something like a cotton ball soaked in the liquid and squeeze the solution out of the cotton ball. Try not to tilt the head back. If you are wanting to clean up anything gunky use something like the corner of a tea towel, or toilet paper rolled into a spike rather than cotton balls or tips as cotton can leave strands behind in the eye. You don’t want to actually touch the eye with the cotton ball or tip.
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Post by Morgan on Sept 12, 2021 7:06:03 GMT
When I had to have Pig on Doxycycline in her water, the vet told me to take her water out in the evening, mix the medication fresh first thing in the morning, and she would take a big drink to get as much fresh medication into her as possible. Medication in the water is not usually as effective as giving it directly, but Pig was not tame and she was injured, so catching and handling her daily wasn’t a good option.
I also did the same thing around midday, taking her water out for an hour or two, mixing fresh medication, and giving it back and she would drink again. I think in this way the medication in water may be more effective, since it otherwise loses potency over time.
I don’t know how bad sinus infections are to clear up, they sound nasty, but that may help her out a bit more.
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