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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 21:00:06 GMT
ffiscool Munchy isn't getting used to it. This morning he was even worse about trying to get away because I was away yesterday. But it hasn't affected our bond. In fact, he's been quite affectionate today and came to steal some apple and then sat on my for so long whilst I was trying to eat my dinner that I had to get his mirror to put near me so that he played with that instead, although I didn't want him to go because he rarely comes to me. I've caught him outside the cage a few times, which bothers him and makes him a little sulky at me for at least a few moments afterwards, but as long as I only catch him in the cage before I let him out for the day, and then don't shut him in to catch him again, he is happy enough with me I think it's another thing that depends on the bird, and perhaps how much they trust your hands etc. You mention Bailey being very bitey, which would make catching hold of him hard if he never gave up biting. When I have hold of Munchy, he begins with protest nibbles along with squawks and gradually becomes more aggressive with his biting as the length of time increases (such as if I have to trim quite a few nails). As Hezz mentioned earlier, her having a flock with fully trained members probably makes it easier as the younger birds see them accepting it without fuss and are more willing to do the same.
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Post by Hezz on Apr 15, 2014 0:59:11 GMT
ah right... yes, I can see that would help if he was used to it. I don't think Bailey would ever be used to it, given the things I am still not allowed to do. I imagine it must make a big difference if he had been handled a lot before I got him, but he wasnt.. having said that, way back, my Dusty had been handled all the time but wouldnt let me grab himIt depends on the type of handling ..... not everyone, probably almost no one, is going to handle a chick like this unless asked to. It is very definitely something that has to be worked at, as starrymist and Ira know well. Sparky has just given me about three laps of the cage right now, but once he stops and sits he is aware firstly that is is only for a short time, and secondly that (usually) he is not harmed in the process. The time may come when I do need to catch hold of him for something painful, but instead of having a panicking bird on my hands, he at least will be much calmer in himself, and dying of fright is not going to be an added worry. I read too many stories on here about owners not even wanting to get their birds to a vet because they think it might stress the bird too much.
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Post by starrymist on Apr 15, 2014 13:37:54 GMT
Hezz, that's precisely why I'm so keen on pursuing this! When Misty was sick last year, we decided not to take him to the vet as, although incredibly tame he absoloutely DETESTED being touched never mind grabbed or held, even a tail being touched was a no go. At his very old age, we felt any benefit would be far outweighed by the trauma of the vet (& any required action) & we felt it entirely possible, without wishing to sound melodramatic that he may die there & then from the shock. We wanted his final days or weeks to be peaceful & relaxed & nearly a year on I still feel we did the right thing, he was content & calm in his last 3 weeks. he was clearly not in any pain or distress, he was just incredibly sleepy & wouldnt eat much. Had he shown distress we would of course have gone to the vet. Had he been a bird who'd had regular handling we would probably have gone down the vet route & possibly he would have lasted a bit longer but for Misty, aged almost 15, having not had this handling, leaving him be was the right decision I feel. We gave him the best death we could have done & that means a great deal to me.
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Post by ffiscool on Apr 15, 2014 14:07:27 GMT
Bailey was totally fine and didnt resist at all when the bird vet got him out of the cage not long ago, he just lay there calmly, so it is also the fact they knew exactly how to grab him
the non bird vet however, made him squirm and it did hurt him
Bailey is very tame but wont fly to my hand, even though he will sit on it, he only flies to my head, leg, shoulder.. weird one, he is
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Post by starrymist on Apr 15, 2014 16:59:37 GMT
Yes, we now have a specialist Bird of Prey vet locally so if Brodie ever needs a vet we will go to her as she will at least know how to handle him. We did get antibiotics last year from the normal vet (they were happy to give us them having seen Misty previously & knowing the situation) but they didn't help him. I think he was 'just' old.
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Post by Hezz on Apr 16, 2014 0:58:40 GMT
At 15, Misty had led a long and happy life with you, starrymist. I am sure you did the right thing with him - you obviously loved him very much. ffiscool, it is one thing for the vet to know how to handle and hold your bird, but what happens then when you get home and have to apply ointments, AB's, etc? Bailey may have found the syringe a game last time but the next could be very different. This is why those of us going through this drama, do so. Certainly not for the fun of it! I was appalled at the way one of the vets handled Blue when he was very ill - I didn't realise that he was going to be the vet I saw. Now, I will not allow him near my birds; they are better off waiting for their regular vet's work days, and I make doubly sure that it is Karen that I have the appointment with.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 8:41:51 GMT
We're at the biting stage! Munchy isn't running away so much, just stepping up and biting as my fingers wrap around. He tried to slip out this morning, though. Had to catch him again straight after because I noticed something on his cere, and that time he was incredibly bitey! I let him go on my lap that time because I needed to weigh him, and rather than flying off he ran back and forth along the rope perch on the front of the cage after my hands!!! He's coming into breeding condition now (been out of it for a while) so that might be why. He always gets nippy in the summer. Of course, all the good work will be ruined by the annual holiday in July.
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Post by Hezz on May 3, 2014 9:53:01 GMT
Oh dear!! And to rub it in even more, Mango has given up the run-around and is now an absolute joy to handle. She still squeaks like a dolphin, but even this is very much toned down. Occasionally she will flit about for two or three times, but generally, ATM (stressed, ) they are all being so very, very good! Nowhaving said that, I've probably put the mocker on myself! lol!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 10:49:54 GMT
You've jinxed it now, Hezz! I don't mind the biting because it makes the whole process end faster than chasing him around. I just make sure that I don't release him straight after he's bitten to try to reduce the association of biting with release.
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Jun 15, 2014 17:38:43 GMT
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Post by missygirl on Jun 15, 2014 19:48:13 GMT
I always have done this with Zazoe,Meeko and Dash
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Oct 31, 2014 1:42:51 GMT
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Post by macarony89 on Nov 7, 2014 12:49:05 GMT
I LOVE this video I just sit here watch and sigh how I wish I could do this lol
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Post by Hezz on Nov 8, 2014 0:38:02 GMT
I LOVE this video I just sit here watch and sigh how I wish I could do this lol Maybe not with these guys that you have taken on, @marcarony89, but there is no reason why you can't get to something close. Of course it makes things easier once you have one bird being accepting of the hand. The others see and hear that nothing horrible happens to the bird in the hand, so they aren't so inclined to freak when the hand comes for them. And occasionally one or two will still give me the runaround, just as a protest, I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 17:51:36 GMT
Doing this every day has definitely been worthwhile. Had to clip two of Munchy's claws today and didn't get a single bite. There was a bit of protest where he slipped away, then he squawked a lot when I finally caught hold of him, which didn't take long (just plucked him off the bars with no resistance), but went quiet again when I offered a finger of my other hand to give him a rub and spoke to him quietly. He got a bit restless when I tried to do the second claw, because he was holding my fingers and I couldn't get the clippers under the claw enough to make a clean snip, but only wriggled slightly. His grip on my fingers was loose, too, so he didn't seem to be clinging as if his life depended on it. Afterwards, I placed him on my lap and gave him lots of scratches for being such a good bird, which he was more than happy to accept. All in all, one calm and happy budgie, and one happy but slightly less calm (due to nerves) owner Thanks for showing us this, Hezz. It has certainly changed my experience of budgie-handling into a much more laid back one.
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Post by Hezz on Jan 11, 2015 21:38:49 GMT
That is the best thing, Ira. Glad Munchy is taking this handling caper in his stride these days.
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Feb 18, 2014 15:28:59 GMT
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Post by nour90 on Jan 11, 2015 22:13:47 GMT
woooowwww! Amazing! That is not gonna happen in my house, not even after 10 years my buds just don't like hands. Unless u have food -_-
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