Genetics Masterclass

[phoebe]

Jan 26, 2014 9:39:03 GMT BudgiesBuddy said:

Jan 24, 2014 21:55:36 GMT phoebe said:

I think if I visited someone who was a breeder often I would remember. I remember much better things people tell me out loud, often it's accompanies with visual clues about where we were ect.

Since my stroke my brain is like one of those computers that seizes up from time to time. I used to not understand people like myself. I was an avid reader and could memorize whole books. So if I was explaining something and someone got lost I didn't understand. Now I do. I'm a bit like the girl in 50 first dates yet different. Like if I watch a movie and then you ask me what was the movie about I wouldn't remember. However after one clue it might come rushing back to me. Then the next day I wouldn't know what the movie was about. My daughter asks me did you see this movie, when she is preparing to rent. I know I did, I know if I liked it or not. I can't remember what it was about.

I always wanted to know my budgies mutations. I found Charlies mutation (someone told me) and it was so easy to remember. He is a Greywing. His wings are grey, Lol. His feet are dark. That's all I know. It stuck for some reason. Maybe I could make a post when I have good pics (or with old pics) and I could try to know their genetics.

P.S. Saw 50 first dates many many times.

Yes, your birds have very interesting mutations.

I am sure you are not as bad as 50 First Dates

I am starting to get the courage to read about genetics, stuff like dark factor and try to get it to stick.

I think I owe the courage to all of you. I remember after my stroke and a year of rehabilitation I tried to go on a psychology forum. There are some really nice understanding people but unfortunately some are just "crazy". I guess that is why they are on psychology sites. Back then my brain could not formulate a whole sentence and I was burning up trying to form ideas. I remember people saying the most horrible things (obviously the helpers where being nice). I was being called a tard and stuff like that. So I am not sure who said on a post on this website "the way I write shows I'm not too bad". My heart jumped a beat with joy. I had to whisper to myself "you've come a long way".

I looked at Barry's website, (I hope I spelled that right) he has a nice way of explaining genetics. What I found did not seem complete though. Maybe I just couldn't find my way around. Thank you all.

[phoebe]

Jan 7, 2014 11:39:17 GMT BudgiesBuddy said:

So there are two basic varieties...

1: Green Series also called Yellow Based (Dominant)
2: Blue Series also called White Based (Recessive)

There are only two Alleles for budgies' base colors. Which is Yellow Based and White Based. The Yellow Based Allele is dominant to the recessive White Based Allele.

Definition:
An Allele is an alternative form of a gene (one member of a pair) that is located at a specific position on a specific chromosome. These DNA codings determine distinct traits that can be passed on from parents to offspring. There are two Alleles for each trait. When the Alleles of a pair are heterozygous, one is Dominant and the other is Recessive. The Dominant Allele is expressed and the Recessive allele is masked.

Therefore, if we call the Yellow Based gene B, and the White Based gene b, we can get the following three genetic combinations in budgies.

BB = Two Yellow Based genes, which will result in Yellow Based budgie.

Bb = One Yellow Based gene and one White Base gene, which will result in Yellow Based budgie, which will be split for White Base.

bb = Two White Base genes, which will result in White Based budgie.

I studied genetics in humans before my stroke so stuff like the description of Allele I get luckily this stuff I learned before. I get the yellow based and white based it's like Allie and Noah. He is white based and she is yellow based.

[ffiscool]

I was at a wedding a few years ago and someone asked me where I lived. I said the area and they asked me what road. I could NOT remember. I had to get by, by saying oh just off... And told them the main road near me. I have no idea what happened.

There are certain people's names that no matter how many times I see them at work, I cannot remember their names

[BudgiesBuddy]

Jan 26, 2014 14:29:22 GMT phoebe said:

Jan 7, 2014 11:39:17 GMT BudgiesBuddy said:

So there are two basic varieties...

1: Green Series also called Yellow Based (Dominant)
2: Blue Series also called White Based (Recessive)

There are only two Alleles for budgies' base colors. Which is Yellow Based and White Based. The Yellow Based Allele is dominant to the recessive White Based Allele.

Definition:
An Allele is an alternative form of a gene (one member of a pair) that is located at a specific position on a specific chromosome. These DNA codings determine distinct traits that can be passed on from parents to offspring. There are two Alleles for each trait. When the Alleles of a pair are heterozygous, one is Dominant and the other is Recessive. The Dominant Allele is expressed and the Recessive allele is masked.

Therefore, if we call the Yellow Based gene B, and the White Based gene b, we can get the following three genetic combinations in budgies.

BB = Two Yellow Based genes, which will result in Yellow Based budgie.

Bb = One Yellow Based gene and one White Base gene, which will result in Yellow Based budgie, which will be split for White Base.

bb = Two White Base genes, which will result in White Based budgie.

I studied genetics in humans before my stroke so stuff like the description of Allele I get luckily this stuff I learned before. I get the yellow based and white based it's like Allie and Noah. He is white based and she is yellow based.

I have done a lot of memorization during studies. (It's just the way some studies are here). I can tell you from experience that regularly going back to the stuff which we are learning, helps a lot. Keep coming back to the thread on each log-in, and you will soon see the difference.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Jan 26, 2014 22:30:04 GMT ffiscool said:

I was at a wedding a few years ago and someone asked me where I lived. I said the area and they asked me what road. I could NOT remember. I had to get by, by saying oh just off... And told them the main road near me. I have no idea what happened.

There are certain people's names that no matter how many times I see them at work, I cannot remember their names

I won't forget the home address, but I understand what you are saying here. I too go blank sometimes

[Deleted]

Sounds like you have come a really long way, Phoebe You should be very proud. Repetition seems the key, as BB says. Just keep trying, a little bit at a time, and I'm sure you'll get to where you want to be

[Hezz]

We all have blank moments ........ I am going through a natural period of my life where simple everyday things escape the memory banks. It makes working, mostly with a younger generation, quite different at times. I just tell them to check the number of grey hairs I have ........that's one for every thing I have forgotten.

[phoebe]

Jan 27, 2014 10:14:27 GMT Hezz said:

We all have blank moments ........ I am going through a natural period of my life where simple everyday things escape the memory banks. It makes working, mostly with a younger generation, quite different at times. I just tell them to check the number of grey hairs I have ........that's one for every thing I have forgotten.

When people told me this before I didn't quite understand. My husband actually likes me better in some ways now. He used to feel inadequate at times. Now we are both often bumbling around in the dark. We just laugh at ourselves now. I'm not glad for what I lost but it did make me more understanding. I don't try and explain the centralization of the nervous system to the brain in human evolution to him anymore so that makes him happy. (I couldn't if I tried now, lol)

[ffiscool]

Funny (not ha ha) how things happen and turn around. How some things, the way we are, makes others feel things that we had intention of making rhem feel. And others perceptions of us.

[Deleted]

Been practicing my genetics on the budgies in one of the market petshops today. Sadly the shop which nearly always has budgies, and is actually the decent shop of the two, has the budgies back behind the counter so to get a good look I would have to ask to see them, which I don't feel right doing unless I'm intending to look for one to buy.

Still, despite terribly messed up tail feathers and one baby having a bent up toe, two of the three in the poorer shop were quite talkative and came to the bars to see me. One was a light green and the other an olive green. I believe both were pieds as neither had a blue tail, despite the full wing markings on the olive green.

The third was pretty much all yellow except for a light green rump, but there were some black bars on the top of the head, kinda patchy, as if it were rows of flecking more than bars. Both cheek patches were white and the eyes were still black because they were babies. Any idea what that one might have been BudgiesBuddy?

[phoebe]

You have a good memory Ira, you even know the cheek patches. I think you will be quite good at this.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Jan 28, 2014 17:23:38 GMT Ira said:

Been practicing my genetics on the budgies in one of the market petshops today. Sadly the shop which nearly always has budgies, and is actually the decent shop of the two, has the budgies back behind the counter so to get a good look I would have to ask to see them, which I don't feel right doing unless I'm intending to look for one to buy.

Still, despite terribly messed up tail feathers and one baby having a bent up toe, two of the three in the poorer shop were quite talkative and came to the bars to see me. One was a light green and the other an olive green. I believe both were pieds as neither had a blue tail, despite the full wing markings on the olive green.

The third was pretty much all yellow except for a light green rump, but there were some black bars on the top of the head, kinda patchy, as if it were rows of flecking more than bars. Both cheek patches were white and the eyes were still black because they were babies. Any idea what that one might have been BudgiesBuddy?

All Yellow means that he was a Yellow base budgie. (Remember Normal Greens have Yellow heads). The Green on the rump means that all the Green was removed from his body except the rump area, which will make him a Recessive Pied. Pied gene can remove the color of the cheek patches as well. Recessive Pieds don't get irises, even when mature, hence the black looking eyes.

See, piece a cake. Not difficult at all

[phoebe]

I read all the posts about genetics again. I think some stuff is getting through. Positive thinking and repetition, you guys are great! One of these days with the help of BB we will all know our stuff.

[Deleted]

Thank you, BB! I knew about the eyes, but these were babies, so they all had black eyes. Except for the lutinos I saw in the other shop this morning.

That's awesome, Phoebe! Keep it up! Maybe, if you have a pet shop with budgies close by, make some notes and try to identify the different mutations. If you don't know some of them, note down their appearances as detailed as you can and we can help guess too

[kikkinu]

Jan 29, 2014 14:49:21 GMT phoebe said:

I read all the posts about genetics again. I think some stuff is getting through. Positive thinking and repetition, you guys are great! One of these days with the help of BB we will all know our stuff.

Thats what I keep saying to myself when I get irritated cause I can't figure out a mutation