May 30, 2016 1:30:01 GMT
Ziel
Brand New Budgie
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Post by Ziel on Nov 30, 2017 3:04:04 GMT
Hi everyone. I hope this is the right spot for this, apologies if I missed where else this would fit better.
Being an inexperienced new bird owner, I bought Stanley from a pet store without asking about the breeder or anything. I knew this particular store always had healthy animals though, so I bought her.
Now, a year and a half wiser and much more knowledgeable, I'm curious about her origins, but I don't know how to read the band.
Can I identify the breeder with just the band???
It reads as follows- MI 41 EH
MI I assume is Michigan since I live and bought her here, but I have no clue about the rest. Any help is appreciated.
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Post by Hezz on Nov 30, 2017 8:54:09 GMT
Why not go back to the store and ask? There are different types of bands - those issued through a breeders association, often for exhibition birds, and those made specially for individual breeders to identify their own stock. You are also asking about a US banded bird; most of our members are UK-based, or spread more widely throughout the world. Finding a member on this forum who would be able to answer your question ... your chances are Buckley's or none, I'm afraid. I really think the store would be your best bet.  |
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May 30, 2016 1:30:01 GMT
Ziel
Brand New Budgie
Posts: 45
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Post by Ziel on Nov 30, 2017 12:56:23 GMT
Why not go back to the store and ask? There are different types of bands - those issued through a breeders association, often for exhibition birds, and those made specially for individual breeders to identify their own stock. You are also asking about a US banded bird; most of our members are UK-based, or spread more widely throughout the world. Finding a member on this forum who would be able to answer your question ... your chances are Buckley's or none, I'm afraid. I really think the store would be your best bet. I was considering that if nobody had any clue. Oh, I didn't realize that. My bet then is individual since she has suffusion... I didn't know if it was different between countries or not, but I figured I'd give it a shot! Oh, well. I'll drop by the store sometime and see if they have any clue. Thank you! |
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Post by Learner on Dec 1, 2017 4:07:08 GMT
Ziel I have no idea how Budgie societies are organised in the US. If you have a State organisation or a national one you could try contacting them. They should have a record of the breeder's name and contact details as they issue the rings. In the UK the national budgerigars' breeders association issue breeders with rings that show their individual ID and then the year the bird was ringed. It should work the same way in the States. It might help if the pet shop is unwilling or unable to help you. Good luck.
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Post by Hezz on Dec 1, 2017 11:30:38 GMT
Learner, individual breeders can order their own rings for their own identification, not only as part of an organised society, so these will not necessarily be recorded anywhere but with the individual breeder. Even my conure has a leg band but unless I know who the breeder is/was, the band is useless.
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Post by Learner on Dec 2, 2017 2:29:30 GMT
Learner , individual breeders can order their own rings for their own identification, not only as part of an organised society, so these will not necessarily be recorded anywhere but with the individual breeder. Even my conure has a leg band but unless I know who the breeder is/was, the band is useless. Hi Hezz, I know that it is possible to buy rings of all sorts...(I have used plastic split rings in the past for foreign finches that I bred). I thought that rings marked with a particular code and year would be issued by an organisation rather than off the peg rings. I have not come across manufacturers and suppliers of rings with breeder ID and year unless they have been issued by a society so did not realise it was possible for breeders to order their own stamped rings other than those with a series of pre-manufactured numbers (i.e. I, 2, 3, 4....and in various colours) Sorry if my comments have caused any confusion - my lack of knowledge to blame  |
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Post by Hezz on Dec 3, 2017 0:25:53 GMT
Learner , individual breeders can order their own rings for their own identification, not only as part of an organised society, so these will not necessarily be recorded anywhere but with the individual breeder. Even my conure has a leg band but unless I know who the breeder is/was, the band is useless. Hi Hezz, I know that it is possible to buy rings of all sorts...(I have used plastic split rings in the past for foreign finches that I bred). I thought that rings marked with a particular code and year would be issued by an organisation rather than off the peg rings. I have not come across manufacturers and suppliers of rings with breeder ID and year unless they have been issued by a society so did not realise it was possible for breeders to order their own stamped rings other than those with a series of pre-manufactured numbers (i.e. I, 2, 3, 4....and in various colours) Sorry if my comments have caused any confusion - my lack of knowledge to blame You probably know more about it than I do, then, although we don't know whether the band is metal or not .... do we?? My conure has a metal band, but it is only a breeder's id number.. |
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Post by Learner on Dec 4, 2017 18:33:03 GMT
Hezz
Bands are not my favourite things - useful to serious breeders who go in for showing birds and raising the best quality show birds they can but.... metal fixed bands have their disadvantages.
I had a yellow green hen budgie - she had a breeder's band when I bought her. Unfortunately she managed to catch herself up in the aviary as a result of the leg band. I spotted her fairly quickly and held her secure so she didn't struggle when she was suspended by the band around her leg. I was also lucky in that I could reach a pair of pliers without letting go of her and was able to cut through whatever it was her leg band had snagged on. (I can't recall what it was now.)
Later I took her to the vet to have the band removed as it was still causing her discomfort - The vet told me that it happens quite often and he uses a dentist's drill to weaken and then cut through the band. Fortunately Gwen the Green was no worse for wear.
I have used bands to identify similar colour budgie chicks but I used only plastic split-ring bands as they are less likely to cause a problem and I can remove them if really needed. (Come to think of it - I used only one....in the last lots of years. I had bought a young Lutino and then one appeared amongst the first lot of budgies bred since I started keeping them again. One is called Bananas and the other Custard - easy to tell them apart now without the ring as although they are almost identical in colour their manner and behaviour is different).
Sorry.....I rambled again and was no help in solving the mystery of the bird ring identity.
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Post by Hezz on Dec 4, 2017 20:10:52 GMT
I have no love for bands either - hate them in fact, for that very reason, plus I think they spoil the birds' looks. (That's my little niggle.) I check Loki's band all the time, plus every time I see him cleaning around the horrible thing. If/when I need to take him to a vet, I will get it removed, after all, if he does get out it is only the breeder who it will help unless he ends up at a vet's or someone who would take the time to check ...... I have little faith that that would happen - I think he would be taken in and kept!  |
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Post by clt80 on Dec 26, 2017 16:03:28 GMT
Ziel did you have any luck?
Just wanted to add my pennies worth as I too dislike bands. My John has two bands, a metal one with the breeders info and on his other leg he has a red plastic one.
Once when one of my other birds went in for an operation I asked the vet to remove the leg band and she said removing it can risk injury to the leg (breaking it).
I wish I could remove them myself, but I daren't risk injury.
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May 30, 2016 1:30:01 GMT
Ziel
Brand New Budgie
Posts: 45
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Post by Ziel on Dec 26, 2017 17:22:47 GMT
Ziel did you have any luck? Just wanted to add my pennies worth as I too dislike bands. My John has two bands, a metal one with the breeders info and on his other leg he has a red plastic one. Once when one of my other birds went in for an operation I asked the vet to remove the leg band and she said removing it can risk injury to the leg (breaking it). I wish I could remove them myself, but I daren't risk injury. Not much. I called into the store and asked about the breeder they get their budgies from, but it turns out he's just a hobbyist. So he has no website or contact information. Oh I've never heard of that... from what I've seen they just hold the leg still and snip the band twice so it falls right off. |
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