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Post by skysmum on Feb 16, 2012 22:29:46 GMT
Hi, just wanted an opinion on breeding siblings. I have researched it but am getting very mixed information. some say its ok and that it happens in the wild and in a free breeding aviary and others say its a no no leading to genetic faults. Your advice would be appreciated.
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May 18, 2024 14:11:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 23:34:02 GMT
the last time this was asked on our old forum .... there was many arguments.... this time im saying nothing ..... best of luck with this one.... ..
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Oct 11, 2011 22:07:37 GMT
budgiebonkers
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Post by budgiebonkers on Feb 16, 2012 23:48:25 GMT
I read sibling breeding is to close of genetics. I personally wouldn't do that. And I highly doubt they breed with there siblings in the wild. IMO.
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Post by carlshave on Feb 17, 2012 7:57:53 GMT
I had this problem once with brother and sister breeding and it didn't go well, I never knew they were related till a couple of months after I got them, there chicks were weak and most spayed leged, one had wot I think they called club feet but this is just my experience, mite have nothing to do with been related, I wudnt recommend it but others with more experience will know better
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:52:30 GMT
Never tried as I think it's not good
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Post by skysmum on Feb 17, 2012 17:15:03 GMT
Ok thanks, it does feel wrong i must admit i think if i decide to increase my flock i will introduce some fresh blood, its not worth risking.
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Oct 9, 2011 8:13:20 GMT
salma
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Post by salma on Feb 19, 2012 18:03:50 GMT
I wouldn't recommend it at all, although I know some show breeders who inbreed to bring out a certain show quality. I bought some budgies from a breeder once, they weren't a pair, but they paired up soon after arriving in my aviary. They had 4 chicks, the mum abandoned them at about 2 weeks old, so I fostered them out I went into the aviary one morning to find 3 out of the 4 chicks dead all in different nest boxes, one very weak but she made it. All my own chicks were fine, I went back to the breeder she wasn't sure, but she said they may have been father and daughter. Would it perhaps be worse to breed siblings? Father to daughter only has half the same genes whereas siblings potentially have all the same genes?
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Dec 29, 2011 18:29:20 GMT
Lushen1600
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Post by Lushen1600 on Feb 24, 2012 7:33:57 GMT
Brother to sister from the same clutch I would say no, but maybe half brothers and half sisters would be ok, what would the rest of you guys say
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Jan 12, 2012 22:54:32 GMT
Nicola
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Post by Nicola on Mar 15, 2012 6:49:25 GMT
I haven't tried it but I am in the same situation, as I either mother and son will pair up or brother and sister. I have seen a video on youtube and someone bred brother and sister accidently. But it all ended fine. The hen had either 4-5 healthy chicks. Its realy 50% 50%
Nicola
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Post by barrieshutt on Mar 15, 2012 6:55:32 GMT
Interbreeding is good for fixing features but the closest i go is half brother x half sister
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Oct 7, 2011 21:27:38 GMT
nev90
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Post by nev90 on Mar 15, 2012 7:53:50 GMT
It is quite different interbreeding selected budgies that have been carefully chosen for a feature that you want to propagate in your flock than it is to breed a brother and sister together just because they are the only available pair
When a sensible breeder interbreeds his birds he will study the family's history to make sure there are no defects that should be avoided. Also he will be prepared to cull the resulting chicks heavily so that only the very best are retained for future breeding
The statement is often made that "It happens in the wild" but in the wild nature has it's way of selecting the fittest and any weaklings would not survive. In captivity we would nurse those weaklings and then try to breed from them to produce more weaklings
Inbreeding our budgies can produce the same problems that occur when trying to save an endangered species. With an endangered species of any kind of wild life the biggest problem is the gene pool becoming too small and close relations breed together producing offspring that are too weak to ensure the survival of the species. Often large sums of money are spent importing unrelated stock to try and strengthen the existing group
In some cases breeding a brother and sister together will cause no problems but in other cases the results can be a real disaster. Because each chick inherits one of each pair of genes from each of it's parents it is possible for one of it's siblings to get the other gene from each pair of genes. This would mean that the siblings have no genes in common. On the other hand it is also possible for the siblings to get the same copy of the gene from each of the parents. This would make them identical. The majority of siblings probably have about 75% of the same genes.
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Jan 1, 2012 11:53:43 GMT
steveo
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Post by steveo on Mar 15, 2012 20:31:12 GMT
i can see that there is a place for this sort of selective breeding , i personally wouldnt, i use breeding boxes but how can some one who colony breeds their birds avoid this happening it probably happens a lot .
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 15, 2012 20:34:15 GMT
That's one of the problems with colony breeding.
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