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Post by lemonora on Mar 2, 2022 18:05:05 GMT
Thanks Hezz for your reply about the turmeric and the (ACV/milk thistle) mix 🌷 There is something else, I realized that his cere is different, so I added a picture of his cere that I took today, it’s looking kind of light brownish, is this normal? Or is this from his liver issue? I really like your natural approaches to heal them, budgies are so tiny and I’m assuming that all those chemicals in medicines will definitely be too heavy for their system, so I totally agree with you, and I sure hope that budgies would be at the top of the list one day not the bottom🙁 I have read Ira’s thread and will definitely try rolling a millet in turmeric paste for him (not cayenne pepper) I will add turmeric to both (millet and veggies mix) so hopefully he would end up eating it from here or there or both 👍 but my question is, is it daily? The turmeric? should i add it to his water as well? His sister Elsa has also been on milk thistle for her tumors, and thankfully they’ve shrunk considerably, should I add turmeric on her food as well? Daily? What about the other birds, should turmeric be included in their diet in general? Twice a week maybe? For health benefits? Then I will definitely get the capsules (4:1) strength as you suggested, as-well as the organic cooking one, here I only have non organic turmeric, and sadly the order may take around 10 days to arrive, I’m also ordering organic cayenne pepper just in case, because I also learned from ira’s thread that it’s good for pain, hopefully they won’t need it. I know I’m asking so many questions but I really want to make sure that I understand exactly what they need, so I don’t harm them by mistake. And of course Hezz, I ALWAYS appreciate all your help and I’m forever grateful 🌹🌷💐❤️❤️
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Post by Hezz on Mar 3, 2022 0:38:14 GMT
If the other birds don’t have any health issues there isn’t any real reason for them to be given the turmeric, but as it is supposed to be so good in so many ways, perhaps so. I don’t think it would do them any harm as long as you are realistic in how much you add to their diet. Overdosing on any one thing is not good regardless of how healthy it may seem. I would give it to him every day in whatever form you wish to try - food or water.
I’m not trying to scare you, but I do think you need to consider that his browning cere may be due to some form of tumour around his testes, which may be the the reason, or part of, for his tail shake to poop. In any case there isn’t much different you can do to help him, and vets have been trialing the use of turmeric in treating animals with tumours, although as I recall they were mostly concentrating on external tumours rather than internal. Either way, the turmeric is not going to hurt.
Hopefully, though, the crust on his cere are simply old dry cells that he hasn’t been able to rub off.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Mar 3, 2022 22:33:39 GMT
Do you have a "before" photo of the cere?
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Post by lemonora on Mar 3, 2022 23:19:54 GMT
If the other birds don’t have any health issues there isn’t any real reason for them to be given the turmeric, but as it is supposed to be so good in so many ways, perhaps so. I don’t think it would do them any harm as long as you are realistic in how much you add to their diet. Overdosing on any one thing is not good regardless of how healthy it may seem. I would give it to him every day in whatever form you wish to try - food or water. I’m not trying to scare you, but I do think you need to consider that his browning cere may be due to some form of tumour around his testes, which may be the the reason, or part of, for his tail shake to poop. In any case there isn’t much different you can do to help him, and vets have been trialing the use of turmeric in treating animals with tumours, although as I recall they were mostly concentrating on external tumours rather than internal. Either way, the turmeric is not going to hurt. Hopefully, though, the crust on his cere are simply old dry cells that he hasn’t been able to rub off. Thanks again Hezz for all the information you’ve given me, I sure hope that it will just rub off as you said, hopefully it’s nothing serious but I will definitely keep that in mind, and thanks for the turmeric advice, I will keep him on it and hopefully it will help him, I will surely let you know, as for the other birds including Elsa, I will maybe include turmeric once or twice a week In Their veggies, just a sprinkle, for the benefit it contains, and of course daily for Tutu. thanks again for all your help Hezz, I’m eternally grateful 🌹❤️
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Post by lemonora on Mar 3, 2022 23:24:45 GMT
Do you have a "before" photo of the cere? Yes I do, this is from a few months ago (20/ December/2021) it’s from around the time he had his vomiting episodes, most of his recent picture are from far away or not clear, this is the clearest and closest I could find. thanks for asking and caring Marianne 🌹
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Post by Hezz on Mar 4, 2022 4:55:10 GMT
lemonora, can you confirm that Tutu is a recessive pied and that his cere usually was multicoloured? The pied gene can show anywhere and it isn’t unusual for the cere to be both deep pink/purple and some blue. In this case his cere colour change may not be as dramatic as first seemed. It is not a great photo, but at this stage I wouldn’t rule anything out.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Mar 4, 2022 9:41:13 GMT
From that photo, Tutu does look like a recessive pied. But yes it's a little blurry lemonora, can you confirm that Tutu is a recessive pied and that his cere usually was multicoloured? The pied gene can show anywhere and it isn’t unusual for the cere to be both deep pink/purple and some blue. In this case his cere colour change may not be as dramatic as first seemed. It is not a great photo, but at this stage I wouldn’t rule anything out.
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Post by lemonora on Mar 4, 2022 22:23:35 GMT
lemonora , can you confirm that Tutu is a recessive pied and that his cere usually was multicoloured? The pied gene can show anywhere and it isn’t unusual for the cere to be both deep pink/purple and some blue. In this case his cere colour change may not be as dramatic as first seemed. It is not a great photo, but at this stage I wouldn’t rule anything out. I actually don’t know his mutation, but yes, his cere has different colors (blue at the center and kind of pink on the sides) I looked for some old pictures that are clear enough, hope they can help you identify his mutation, and I’m so happy to hear that because of this, he may not have a serious issue, I know that I can’t rule anything out as you said, but it was still nice to hear, thanks Hezz 🌹 I don’t know the exact date of these photos but there is a chunk of time between them
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Post by lemonora on Mar 4, 2022 22:24:51 GMT
From that photo, Tutu does look like a recessive pied. But yes it's a little blurry lemonora , can you confirm that Tutu is a recessive pied and that his cere usually was multicoloured? The pied gene can show anywhere and it isn’t unusual for the cere to be both deep pink/purple and some blue. In this case his cere colour change may not be as dramatic as first seemed. It is not a great photo, but at this stage I wouldn’t rule anything out. I just posted two older photos, hopefully they are clear enough and can help Thanks again 🌹
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Post by Hezz on Mar 5, 2022 1:24:28 GMT
Yes, it does look as though he is a recessive pied (thanks for the second lot of photos) and his cere has always been multicoloured. Looking at these two photos together, I don’t think there is the dramatic difference I thought there was, that first worried me. I’d try rubbing some food grade oil on his cere, making sure not to get it in his nostrils, leave it to soak in and you may find that you can later rub it off, or he may rub it off himself. It may not come off, but is worth a try.
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Post by lemonora on Mar 5, 2022 17:49:46 GMT
Yes, it does look as though he is a recessive pied (thanks for the second lot of photos) and his cere has always been multicoloured. Looking at these two photos together, I don’t think there is the dramatic difference I thought there was, that first worried me. I’d try rubbing some food grade oil on his cere, making sure not to get it in his nostrils, leave it to soak in and you may find that you can later rub it off, or he may rub it off himself. It may not come off, but is worth a try. Thank you so much Hezz ❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹 I can’t thank you enough for everything you can’t imagine how happy and relieved we are to hear this Hopefully it’s exactly the case and nothing serious, but does this mean I should change the turmeric dosage when it arrives? Or still daily? Hopefully it will arrive in the coming days about the oil thing, it’s going to be impossible to do because he almost gets a heart attack when we hold him to cut his beak every few weeks, he is very skittish, hopefully he will rub it off himself, we turned on the water fountain and keep spraying water around, I will definitely keep you posted 👍 and again, thank you for everything❤️🌹🌷💐
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Post by Hezz on Mar 6, 2022 0:34:29 GMT
No worries regarding the oil, it was just a thought, but for the turmeric, if he is still doing his bum wiggle before a poop each and every time, I would give it to him each day, perhaps a little in his water and a little on his food, and see how he goes. If you notice that he isn’t needing to wiggle after a while then drop it from one or the other, food or water, whatever is easier for you and keep watch to monitor how he copes with less in his system. If you notice him straining still, then increase the amount. As I’ve said before you really have to just play it by instinct, how much he may need and how much he may tolerate.
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Post by lemonora on Mar 6, 2022 21:46:33 GMT
No worries regarding the oil, it was just a thought, but for the turmeric, if he is still doing his bum wiggle before a poop each and every time, I would give it to him each day, perhaps a little in his water and a little on his food, and see how he goes. If you notice that he isn’t needing to wiggle after a while then drop it from one or the other, food or water, whatever is easier for you and keep watch to monitor how he copes with less in his system. If you notice him straining still, then increase the amount. As I’ve said before you really have to just play it by instinct, how much he may need and how much he may tolerate. Thank you for all the advice and points you’ve given me, I will keep them in mind and do exactly as you said, and yes he does still wiggle his bum to poop I was just wondering though, the water dosage, maybe (1/8 of teaspoon per 100 ml?) and is it ok to add it with the daily milk thistle and every other day ACV? Or should I put the turmeric on its own in the outside water bowl, for when he comes out (couple of hours throughout the day) but his sister Elsa would drink from too, sorry I’m just thinking out loud, I know I’ve asked you a lot of questions over the years and you were always so helpful and caring, I appreciate it more than you know my dear friend 🌹❤️🐥
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Post by Hezz on Mar 7, 2022 1:03:10 GMT
I wasn’t sure whether the turmeric and milk thistle may react with each other so I googled it and all sites I’ve been to tell me that no interaction between these two has been found, so I think you would be fine combining the two.
Just a thought with adding the turmeric to water if using powder - I don’t know how easily it will dissolve, and some brands may dissolve more easily than others. If not readily, you may be better off sprinkling it on his food.
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Post by lemonora on Mar 7, 2022 21:21:56 GMT
I wasn’t sure whether the turmeric and milk thistle may react with each other so I googled it and all sites I’ve been to tell me that no interaction between these two has been found, so I think you would be fine combining the two. Just a thought with adding the turmeric to water if using powder - I don’t know how easily it will dissolve, and some brands may dissolve more easily than others. If not readily, you may be better off sprinkling it on his food. Thanks for caring and googling 🌹❤️ And what you said about turmeric powder in water, I totally agree with you, so I will only add it to his food, my plan is: -in his morning vegetable mix (1/8 teaspoon) -in the afternoon, I will mix 1/8 teaspoon turmeric with a few drops of water to make a paste and then mix the paste with some seeds -a couple of times a week, I will also make a paste of turmeric and roll a piece of millet in it In the evenings, I usually clip a piece of vegetable for them (bell pepper or cucumber) but I thought I wouldn’t roll it in turmeric paste, so not everything is turmeric covered around him 😖 Hopefully one of these methods will succeed, or maybe all of them 🙂 I will definitely keep you posted and again thank you so much for all your help Hezz🌹💐🌷 Our birds and us are eternally grateful🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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