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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 7, 2020 16:28:34 GMT
Hi all Unfortunately out of the 4 eggs 2 hatched but 1 died so just 1 chick so can't compare colours. I can't wait for feathers to come through but I'm going to have to be patient. One question though does yellow face just effect the head colour or can it effect the body? Sorry if this is a silly question. I think he's cute too. I'm definitely keeping as it's my first ever bubba There are no silly questions. All questions on these sometimes confounding subjects are valid.
One thing to add to the good info that Hezz provided, any yellow bleed onto the body, wings and tail will increase after the first moult. But as you can see from the link Hezz provided, for some types of yellowface there's little or no bleed at all.
The Cute Little Birdies website is a font of good information on any number of budgie subjects. It was created by a breeder in Akron, Ohio (USA). She closed down her operation a few years ago so the site hasn't been maintained since then, resulting in some of the internal links from page to page going dead. You can bypass that problem by going back to google and typing in the subject of the page you wanted to access, for example, "Cute Little Birdies Spangle" or "Cute Little Birdies Recessive Pied" and you can access the page that way.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 7, 2020 17:25:19 GMT
9k thanks for the tip . I'll post pics as bubbas feathers come through. Although looking more yellow and grey by the day. Thanks to both you and hezz again
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 7, 2020 19:11:03 GMT
9k thanks for the tip . I'll post pics as bubbas feathers come through. Although looking more yellow and grey by the day. Thanks to both you and hezz again Looking forward to seeing how this babe turns out.
The genetic odds for the mating you did are:
50% Single Factor Spangle 25% Double Factor Spangle 25% Normal
We can eliminate DF Spangle since those chicks would be solid yellow or white. So you have a 2 in 3 chance of it being a single factor spangle and one in three that it will be normal, with yellowface, of course. Some of the possible splits (recessive traits) have also been eliminated, though not all.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:33:43 GMT
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Post by bubbles on Aug 16, 2020 11:32:44 GMT
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Post by blueelephant on Aug 16, 2020 18:03:29 GMT
I have not one clue about the genetics but what gorgeous pictures. There is quite simply nothing cuter than a baby budgie!
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Jul 21, 2020 14:33:43 GMT
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Post by bubbles on Aug 16, 2020 19:40:21 GMT
Thank you. I've fallen in love with this baby. I know it's silly but I'm so proud
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Aug 16, 2020 19:47:24 GMT
You should be proud - such a cute little one!
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Post by Hezz on Aug 16, 2020 20:15:56 GMT
The different blue on the baby's back to the rest of the body, I may be wrong but I would put it down to the "bleed" of the yellowface into the body colouring. I couldn't get a good enough look at the wings, sorry. For gender, I'm thinking boy, but that's not a definite.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 17, 2020 18:07:45 GMT
So interesting how the genetics played out in this mating. A green bird and a grey bird produce a yellowfaced blue. Makes perfect sense when you parse the genetic possibilities but it wasn't what one would expect at first glance. The only thing that isn't a surprise is opaline...and spangle if that's what it turns out to be. I agree with Hezz--looks like a boy at this point.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Aug 17, 2020 19:20:08 GMT
So interesting how the genetics played out in this mating. A green bird and a grey bird produce a yellowfaced blue. Makes perfect sense when you parse the genetic possibilities but it wasn't what one would expect at first glance. The only thing that isn't a surprise is opaline...and spangle if that's what it turns out to be. I agree with Hezz --looks like a boy at this point. Too funny!!! I can't even pretend that I know about budgie genetics. Normally folks like me would say a green bird and a grey bird producing a blue and yellow bird, are sure the little hen didn't have a "visitor"?
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Jul 21, 2020 14:33:43 GMT
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Post by bubbles on Aug 18, 2020 16:50:19 GMT
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Aug 18, 2020 18:17:11 GMT
So very pretty and so easy to love! Thank you for sharing by posting pictures. It will be interesting to watch him grow.
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Post by yellowfacedviolet on Aug 18, 2020 20:59:59 GMT
I love the shade of yellow on he's face very pale atm, so am I right in saying he's white based. I know I'm biased but I didn't expect him to be so pretty. The colours were a shock to me with what I've researched. I'm assuming he's colours will darken with each moult ?? Yes, he's a white-based budgie. All blues are. And all greens are yellow-based. Which is why a blue albino is white and a green albino is yellow. And why a double factor blue spangle is white and why a double factor green spangle is yellow.
The violet around the neck is a common trait found in many blues and has no relation to the violet mutation. This is often mistaken as (and stated on some poorly-informed websites) an indication of violet. It is not.
And yes, the colors will deepen with age.
Regarding your shock, here's how it turned out the way it did:
1. We now know your green/yellow male is split to blue--that is, he's carrying the recessive blue gene. Had he not, your chick would be green.
2. We now know that your grey hen is single factor grey--that is, she inherited the grey gene from only one parent. Had she inherited two, your chick would be grey. Instead your chick had a 50% chance of being grey or blue--and the latter prevailed.
3. Visual Grey is only possible if the budgie is basically blue. So your blue (grey) hen mated to a green bird that is split to blue, had a 50% chance of being green or blue. And the latter prevailed.
4. The yellow face came from your male, and that one was--pardon the pun--staring us in the face and we only belatedly saw it, because we saw his yellow face being part of his basic green bird coloring rather than the added yellowface factor. layered on top of it.
Meanwhile, he's cute as a button.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 22:33:05 GMT
That is one extremely adorable baby!
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Jul 21, 2020 14:33:43 GMT
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Post by bubbles on Aug 19, 2020 11:29:46 GMT
I love the shade of yellow on he's face very pale atm, so am I right in saying he's white based. I know I'm biased but I didn't expect him to be so pretty. The colours were a shock to me with what I've researched. I'm assuming he's colours will darken with each moult ?? Yes, he's a white-based budgie. All blues are. And all greens are yellow-based. Which is why a blue albino is white and a green albino is yellow. And why a double factor blue spangle is white and why a double factor green spangle is yellow.
The violet around the neck is a common trait found in many blues and has no relation to the violet mutation. This is often mistaken as (and stated on some poorly-informed websites) an indication of violet. It is not.
And yes, the colors will deepen with age.
Regarding your shock, here's how it turned out the way it did:
1. We now know your green/yellow male is split to blue--that is, he's carrying the recessive blue gene. Had he not, your chick would be green.
2. We now know that your grey hen is single factor grey--that is, she inherited the grey gene from only one parent. Had she inherited two, your chick would be grey. Instead your chick had a 50% chance of being grey or blue--and the latter prevailed.
3. Visual Grey is only possible if the budgie is basically blue. So your blue (grey) hen mated to a green bird that is split to blue, had a 50% chance of being green or blue. And the latter prevailed.
4. The yellow face came from your male, and that one was--pardon the pun--staring us in the face and we only belatedly saw it, because we saw his yellow face being part of his basic green bird coloring rather than the added yellowface factor. layered on top of it.
Meanwhile, he's cute as a button.
Thanks for all your information much appreciated.
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