Jan 26, 2021 12:49:19 GMT
hanalock
Brand New Budgie
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Post by hanalock on Feb 1, 2021 14:08:00 GMT
now this is an issue i should have seen before! before having the babies , Sama and Dani already marked their own swings to sleep in, they don't like to sleep on perches but the swings are their perfect bed. when they babies came lots of fuss started to show up and sometimes they scream at night till we found out that they need to be covered (before with Sama and Dani we never covered them at night we just turn off the light ) also we found out that recently that Sama and Dani prefer to sleep in separate cages ! they will fight all night if they sleep in the same cage ! during day time they jump and visit each other but not at time! birds are so amazing to watch
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Post by Morgan on Feb 4, 2021 6:07:46 GMT
Shirls - Thanks for sharing that. It doesn’t say anything like that on my jar. I’ll have to look online to see what else they say about it.
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Post by Shirls on Feb 4, 2021 11:04:51 GMT
Shirls - Thanks for sharing that. It doesn’t say anything like that on my jar. I’ll have to look online to see what else they say about it. Hezz is usually up on these things, I know it doesn't say on the jar. I think I got it from a discussion on this forum, I'm sure Marianne Marlow or Hezz or samwiseg would confirm or otherwise.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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George, Daisy, Iris, Billy, Peter, Chipper, Dinku, Barney, Ayla and Rocky
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 4, 2021 11:15:27 GMT
The reason for not giving veg at the same time as any medication is because veg has water in it and will make them less likely to drink the medicated water.
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Post by Hezz on Feb 4, 2021 21:28:09 GMT
Shirls, GA is not available in Australia, so it is not something I’ve had anything to do will, but it is, as you say, a tonic and is meant as a pick-me-up for ill and over-stressed birds. The trouble with using this sort of thing all the time is that the birds’ body functions can come to rely on it, get lazy if you like, so when you really need it, it doesn’t pack the same punch as it would have if the birds only get it when needed.
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May 20, 2024 2:31:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 22:14:12 GMT
Pippin's having a short course of it ending on Saturday. Not sure he's drinking, but it's worth a shot. He seems lively and healthy enough though, just wanted to give him a boost with the stress of moving.
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Post by Morgan on Feb 5, 2021 5:25:05 GMT
Hmmm, maybe I’ll just stick to egg then for their molts, unless they look like they’re having a hard one. I actually did send them an email asking a few questions about their different supplements, so I’ll share what they have to say if anyone’s interested. I always use at least half less than recommended, but perhaps it’s better just to not. It does expire though, so I was thinking just during their molts a little wouldn’t hurt since they’ll be needing more energy during that time anyway. Otherwise I’d just be throwing out the whole container every two years... It’s just vitamin supplements mostly. Wonder if I could use them on myself? I actually did read an article they wrote about doing just that (all the staff at the BCC) using their Wheeze-eze in the office during allergy season, and the maker putting Flourish on his own food daily. Oh also, it can be put on food too, so then you don’t have to stop feeding veggies. I was putting it on their boiled egg for their molts.
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Post by Hezz on Feb 6, 2021 0:31:10 GMT
A moult is a natural thing for a bird to go through, it shouldn’t be an overly stressful event, but rather just requiring more energy to be used than at any other regular time. A little extra protein should be all that is needed unless there is some other underlying cause. A bird whose health is compromised will sometimes not go through regular moults until they are feeling more back to their normal selves, even if that does take a year or more.
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Post by Morgan on Feb 6, 2021 3:31:49 GMT
I got a response from the bird care company
For clarity, I had asked about:
1) How long to give Guardian Angel if a bird actually appears sick, 2) Can I use GA at half the dose for molting, or would they recommend a lesser dose, or not at all, 3) Their response to my mentioning that the ingredients look the same as their molting formula called “Feather Up”, just in lesser amounts, 4) If I can use the GA for a molting bird, do I need to separate that bird from the rest of the flock? Is there any detriment to using GA for a healthy bird?, 5) Many people believe GA should be used as you would an antibiotic, and that using GA regularly for other purposes will make it less effective for if/when the bird actually becomes sick - Is this true? 6) I have also used Flourish before at twice a week but no longer have any on hand (and I described my birds’ overall diet including 30-50% pellets daily) - Can Flourish be used along with a pelleted diet, and/or at the same time as GA, or is it just overkill?, 7) I have a long drive coming up soon, so I asked about their product called Energise which contains electrolytes plus Vit C, for use before stressful events such as travel (and shows for show birds). I asked if using Flourish was enough because it also contains Vitamin C (and an herbal formula for immune support) but not the electrolyte ingredients in Energise. 8) I asked if a bird could overdose on Vit C, relating to the previous question. It is not fat soluble so I didn’t think so, but... 9) I have their CalciBoost on hand in case one of my hens decides to start laying, so I also asked if adding extra calcium to my birds’ diet is necessary (while non-breeding), given that I am using up to 50% pellets and my birds also have mineral blocks available to them.
Here are the answers:
“Thank you for your e-mail. Here are the answers to your questions:
1) Yes you are correct in saying that if a bird is unwell, you would give the Guardian Angel daily for at least 2 weeks to make sure that the bird is well again. 2) If your bird is moulting, then yes give the Guardian Angel at full dose all the way through the moult. It will help with the stress side of things. 3) I would still give the Feather-Up and CalciBoost at the same as the Guardian Angel, as all 3 do different things when the bird is moulting, even if the ingredients look like they are similar. 4) There is no problem in giving Guardian Angel to a bird that looks fit and well. Especially if you have some birds in the flock that look a little unwell, it will reduce the risk of the healthy birds coming down with the same problem. You only need to give it once or twice a week. 5) Guardian Angel is totally different to antibiotics. Guardian Angel will help to build up the immune system, so then you shouldn't need to use antibiotics. Using nutritional products will also make sure that the birds are healthy and stay healthy, so there is room for both Guardian Angel and vitamins/minerals in the diet. 6) Yes you can give Guardian Angel and Flourish together with no problems. If you wanted to, you could increase the Flourish to daily, but if you are happy with giving it twice a week, then that is fine too. 7) I would actually give the Guardian Angel before travelling. It contains the Energize electrolytes, as well as the probiotics to help with gut function and the immune support to help with general health. There is no problem in giving the Flourish as well if you need to. 8) Birds are very good at getting rid of nutrients that they do not need, so you can't overdose on our products, unless you are giving 10 times our recommended dose over a long period of time, which I am sure that you are not. 9) CalciBoost isn't just a calcium supplement, it also helps to regulate how calcium works within the body. So by giving it just once a week will benefit the birds. You will find that the pellets that you give may have calcium in it, but it is the type of calcium that you will find in cuttle bone and grit, birds need to consume a huge amount of it, to get just a little in the body.
You are doing the right thing by giving a great varied diet. Just eating a biscuit all day long can become quite boring for any person, let alone a parrot. We always say to try and give a diet which is fairly much the same as what they would have in the wild. You are also providing stimulation for your birds by giving different textures, shapes and sizes, which is what they need for a good healthy life. With regard to the supplements, as long as you are following our dosage rates, then you can't go wrong. Most of our products are designed to be used together, so if you are ever not sure about which ones, then please get in touch. We are always happy to help.
I hope that this has put your mind at rest.
Best regards,
Charlotte Doheny, Senior Advisor & Business Development Executive, The Birdcare Company, DrS, CROCdoc/Calinnova Ltd, Leading The Way- Naturally”
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Post by Morgan on Feb 6, 2021 4:21:06 GMT
I think we can keep in mind that they’re still selling a product. But, I don’t think the body would build “immunity” to vitamins and minerals like a bacteria would to an antibiotic. The way I understand it, with taking supplements myself anyway, is that the body uses what it needs and gets rid of the excess - through the kidneys. So I suppose if seriously overdosing on vitamins the kidneys could be overloaded, but I don’t think it would hurt them to have a little extra help during a molt. So far I have been using GA at half dosage on their boiled egg 2-3x a week during their molts, and I haven’t had any experiences with my birds ever feeling under the weather during their molt. Everyone’s been super chipper and playful and energized since I started feeding pellets again, and that change was pretty obvious. But the GA could be overkill. I’ll copy what the BCC said into my pellets thread since it’s all related to diet anyway, and so this thread can go back to what it should be. Sorry I often go off on long tangents - I just like to explore all possibilities
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