Oct 18, 2011 13:38:18 GMT
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Post by ron on May 12, 2021 20:53:53 GMT
nothing to correct Hezz, you described it perfectly.
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Apr 26, 2024 2:16:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 3:22:10 GMT
Thanks everyone for useful insights and explanations. Good to be in a forum with people who have knowledge.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on May 16, 2021 14:54:11 GMT
Hopefully mum will get to have a rest after these chicks have fledged. She needs a break I think, she must be pretty young herself.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on May 19, 2021 13:12:13 GMT
As was said before, you shouldn't have any other budgies with mum and dad when they are feeding their babies.
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Post by ron on May 20, 2021 7:50:13 GMT
Hi Indrajit, glad she's managing to keep up the feeding. Sorry but hard to have an open mind on this when have in the past tried this method and was not pretty, still hurts when thinking about it, and i'll use your word because it fits perfectly seeing MUTILATED chicks is absolutely heart breaking and although have spoken to a few breeders who have success with this method they expect losses and to me that is unacceptable so my thoughts on the subject will never change.I enjoy chatting to you Indrajit but sometimes the descriptions of whats happening can be a bit flowery for my taste we are all living and learning
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Post by Marianne Marlow on May 20, 2021 10:04:26 GMT
Totally agree ron. When chicks dying can be prevented, it's irresponsible to just let it happen.
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Post by ron on May 20, 2021 15:44:56 GMT
Hi Indrajit, no offence or upset was meant but I'll certianly apologise if any was taken. sent you a pm hopefully you will answer and we can sort this out
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Post by mona on May 20, 2021 21:01:05 GMT
I don't think anyone's trying to show disrespect. Everyone's trying to answer with an open mind. It's just that everyone has been worried about the newly born chicks and had been warning about potential harm to them, i.e death.
There are several documentaries and bird behavior books available on avian vet and life sciences websites. You could really have a read there to understand how birdies behave and how their cognitive functions work, instead of trying to experiment on your own birdie flock. It will fulfill your curiosity. On the other hand, you could try following the advice from experienced people to save the birdies in your home, which include breeders, microbiologists,people who have experienced a lot of these things with birdies through out life and people educated in life science with far better knowledge about birdies and animals than us. Every life matters š
With due respect Sir, no one here really knows about anyone's personal profile. Many of us are with pseudonyms, some of us don't even know each other's age, name, occupation, etc and we just bother to discuss about birdie well being mostly.
I haven't found any forum space as beautiful as this one - every one is humble, down to earth, ready to invest time from their hectic schedule to help others. It is rightly judged by the knowledge and love towards each birdie life, not by anything else, be it a kid or an adult, a popular persona or a common man - just birdie life and birdies matter. So, please don't take any text personally. It's just directed towards better life of birdies - be it you or me. I'm sure I'll get the same replies, if I was there instead of you, in the same situation where birdies could have been handled nicely.
Furthermore, this forum doesn't have a concept of likes and comments as all other social media. Social media is designed with a business need to make users addicted to the app using the the concept of number of followers, likes and comments (ultimately either to get user data for their business or attract business users to use the app for promotion, premium versions and app profit). Forums are an open space which is an open community without any personal interest.
I have been a part of this community since quite a while, have learnt a lot and respect everyone out here.
Since you are into spirituality and Shrimad Bhagawad Geeta,
Lord Krishna says, "Do everything you have to do, but not with greed, not with ego, not with envy but with love, compassion, humility and devotion"
And I will just say this verse, very respectfully:
"tam eva saranam gaccha, sarva-bhavena bharata, tat-prasadat param shantim, sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam"
There's a reason, Aham (I) is not promoted in Bhagwad Geeta. I means ego, we means humility. š With due respect, just look out for your birdie life and don't take anything personally.
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Post by Hezz on May 20, 2021 22:17:31 GMT
I don't think anyone's trying to show disrespect. Everyone's trying to answer with an open mind. It's just that everyone has been worried about the newly born chicks and had been warning about potential harm to them, i.e death. There are several documentaries and bird behavior books available on avian vet and life sciences websites. You could really have a read there to understand how birdies behave and how their cognitive functions work, instead of trying to experiment on your own birdie flock. It will fulfill your curiosity. On the other hand, you could try following the advice from experienced people to save the birdies in your home, which include breeders, microbiologists,people who have experienced a lot of these things with birdies through out life and people educated in life science with far better knowledge about birdies and animals than us. Every life matters š With due respect Sir, no one here really knows about anyone's personal profile. Many of us are with pseudonyms, some of us don't even know each other's age, name, occupation, etc and we just bother to discuss about birdie well being mostly. I haven't found any forum space as beautiful as this one - every one is humble, down to earth, ready to invest time from their hectic schedule to help others. It is rightly judged by the knowledge and love towards each birdie life, not by anything else, be it a kid or an adult, a popular persona or a common man - just birdie life and birdies matter. So, please don't take any text personally. It's just directed towards better life of birdies - be it you or me. I'm sure I'll get the same replies, if I was there instead of you, in the same situation where birdies could have been handled nicely. Furthermore, this forum doesn't have a concept of likes and comments as all other social media. Social media is designed with a business need to make users addicted to the app using the the concept of number of followers, likes and comments (ultimately either to get user data for their business or attract business users to use the app for promotion, premium versions and app profit). Forums are an open space which is an open community without any personal interest. I have been a part of this community since quite a while, have learnt a lot and respect everyone out here. Since you are into spirituality and Bhagawad Geeta, Lord Krishna says, "Do everything you have to do, but not with greed, not with ego, not with envy but with love, compassion, humility and devotion" And I will just say this verse, very respectfully: "tam eva saranam gaccha, sarva-bhavena bharata, tat-prasadat param shantim, sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam" There's a reason, Aham (I) is not promoted in Bhagwad Geeta. I means ego, we means humility. š With due respect, just look out for your birdie life and don't take anything personally. Very well said, mona. Much better than anything I could have written myself.
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Post by mona on May 21, 2021 17:31:46 GMT
If you don't intend to read the research papers, books and documentaries, you could choose to trust what people say over here. Alternatively, you could try searching for budgie support groups on Facebook and Instagram to check for their advices to see what you can trust. As per my opinion, very few on FB & Insta are really helpful.
I'm not as knowledgeable as everyone else who has responded to this post. It's a small birdie family over here and we all treat each other with love & respect.
Also, if I don't get an answer to a specific query, which isn't urgent and stems from my curiosity, I perform my own research to learn by visiting authentic & reliable websites, reading books written by qualified vets or for life sciences education, interacting with bird owners outside this forum & so on. In that way, I can contribute & help others on the forum too. People might be busy with their lives, kids, work and so on and some might not share interest on the same topic to discuss.
These people are responding to many threads on this forum, reading through everyone's concerns and replying to as many possible. It's voluntary social service act, as per member's interest, knowledge, spare time,etc for which no one gets paid. With all that in mind, it's really important to maintain the morale & decorum of the forum to keep going & help numerous people who don't have access to avian vets & basic care guide for birdies.
Crisp and to the point questions will be easier for people to answer. As far as this thread is concerned,
Did you get a chance to separate the two breeding pairs with their chicks to different cage? Were you able to observe any more signs of negligence by the budgie mom? If your answer is not affirmative, responding to this thread for me and a few others, would be difficult, as per your expectation, since there's nothing more to add to what's already said.
I'll not add more to this discussion, since I don't have any personal experience with budgie breeding. So, I won't add any value to this conversation.
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Post by ron on May 22, 2021 1:19:39 GMT
Hi Indrajit, glad to see you decided to stay .Its 2am and Iām about 200miles awa fae my pc and hate typing on a phone so we can get into budgie behaviour when I get back home. Mona I am sure you would add value to any conversation
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 4:09:02 GMT
Thanks Ron,
Your message about need for understanding differences in culture and approach, and Monas about not taking things personally said in a compassionate tone made me decide.
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Post by ron on May 23, 2021 8:40:51 GMT
morning, budgie behavior Firstly should make it clear anything said is just from my own experiences with breeding budgies and also that if we are trying to analyze their behavior from the crcumstances you described earlier in the thread then we may have to agree to disagree again but we can always try so are we talking about the mums or blondies?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 2:47:52 GMT
BOTH - mums behavior is exemplary maternal instinct except discarding two newly hatched chicks ( very unnatural unless they were still born) Blondies behavior particularly attachment or love for 'Mum' when an alternative free spouse was available, sounds rather human for a birdie also the extreme curiosity to find out what is in mums nest and not getting on with his own breeding when a bird fond of him was available together with a free nesting house and she had shown interest by entering it - again quite human like a philanderer who doesn't care to start a serious courtship but wants the spouses of others only interfering with others like a jealous suitor but no interest in minding his own business.
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Post by ron on May 24, 2021 10:07:29 GMT
Morning Indrajit, I'm afraid we are still looking at this scenario from different angles but firstly for me you cant fault mums behavior in either of the circumstances, without confirmation to the contrary my thoughts would still point to blondie not the mum as the culprit for the chick deaths and my reasoning would be your description of mutilated chicks in a previous post. Now if it happened as you see it and mum discarded the chicks (discarding chicks and mutilating chicks implies to me a very different set of circumstances) for whatever reason then she did it through instinct to give the others the best chance of surviving the same as almost every other hen would have done, so not unusual/unnatural behavior to me having observed the same behavior in many hens over the years.My wee pals (grandchild)3rd birthday today and he's here now so we awa to play and will give my thoughts on blondie later
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