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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Jul 10, 2022 18:18:54 GMT
Sorry Marianne Marlow, I recalled Lyra ( not Luna - that's my sister-in-law dog's name, haha) had a feather condition but didn't remember which she had. To make matters confusing for us novice's, some website claim French molt and pbfd are the same thing.
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Post by criswell on Jul 11, 2022 16:17:30 GMT
It's good to hear from you mona . I know how you feel about Milli and PBFD. It's so sad seeing them struggle. Dean Stockwell was a marvellous climber too. We had pillows all round the cage in case he came out. He was so fearless though and still liked to run about on top of the cage. He was really fiesty too. I'm glad she's still managing to come out to play. My heart used to sink every time Dean Stockwell came out as I was so worried he would fall.
I understand your concern about bringing other birds in to your home but what else could you do when someone was going to let them going. They are going to be much safer with you than out in the wild. Most older birds can fight of the viruses, and never become ill with it.
tweetiepiesmom French moult is a catch all term for feather loss and abnormalities, which may have different causes, and PBFD is often is referred to as french moult. Most birds with french moult have one of two viruses - circo virus which causes PBFD or avian polyoma virus (APV), but most birds aren't tested to find out which one they have. This is quite a good article talking about differences between the two viruses. www.melbournebirdvet.com/french-moult/
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jul 11, 2022 22:16:36 GMT
criswell in your opinion what are the main differences between pbfd and french moult?
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Post by Hezz on Jul 12, 2022 0:43:32 GMT
My understanding is that French Moult is PBFD in budgies.It’s the name given to the budgie form of the disease. Maybe it came about as a result of people not seeming to get that budgies are parrots (the “P” standing for psittacine meaning being of the parrot family). The disease presents in different forms in different parrots which may be another reason why it wasn’t considered to be caused by the same virus.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jul 13, 2022 16:46:20 GMT
Hezz I'd not heard that they were the same thing. If that is the case why have many people told me that french moult can only be passed on in the nest at 2-3 weeks old?
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Post by criswell on Jul 13, 2022 22:05:17 GMT
Marianne Marlow , I think with an adult bird it can be really hard to tell just by looking whether French moult is caused by APV or PBFD. So much of it depends on how badly affected the bird is and some birds with PBFD only show minor abnormalities where some birds with APV can lose most of their feathers. I think both of them have some effect on the immune system too, but I think PBFD causes more supression of the immune system so secondary infections are more likely to occur. But without a test it can be quite difficult to tell. I felt fairly sure that Dean Stockwell had PBFD because of the progression of his feather loss but that doesn't happen with all birds with PBFD but it is quite common that it will progress. There is also a lot of debate about whether the viruses can be passed on to adult birds. My vet certainly thinks so but does say that it is fairly rare. Most adult birds that become infected with the PBFD virus are able to fight it off and one article I read said it rarely infects birds over the age of 2. I got my cage sample tested by Avigenics. I had to ask them about testing environmental samples as they don't advertise it as one of their services but they were able to test the sample for me. It was £10 per test and I got the sample tested for APV and PBFD. If you are interested in getting a sample tested I would email them first to check that they will do an environmental sample for you. avigenics.co.uk/PBFD
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Post by Hezz on Jul 14, 2022 1:09:32 GMT
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Post by mona on Jul 22, 2022 4:29:05 GMT
So much good information here, as always! criswell I'm afraid too whenever she comes out of the cage. I've lined the floor with a thin bedding, just in case, if she falls down. A bit more cleaning, but that's fine. Same with the cage base.. But I love it when she comes out of the cage or shreds something or even when she just chirps. She is still feisty! No one can dare occupy her perch. She climbs pretty fast. We have ladders everywhere.. She still goes crazy after green veggies, veggie chop.. I have to give her daily protein to cope up with her feather growth. We do have soft corner for her and we are definitely biased towards her. We named the new birdie Ryee (meaning trust, thunder, lightning - japanese). He is just like that! He tries bonding with her. I love it that birdies are never biased about the looks - all the boys still flirt with her and girls bond with her. That makes me feel a bit relieved. I was worried if she would be left behind and alone - how human like that thought was! tweetiepiesmom I miss everyone here. My schedule is so hectic that I can't even breathe! I wish to change it for some time for me as well!
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Post by criswell on Jul 22, 2022 22:12:18 GMT
mona It's lovely that the other birds don't leave her out. By the sounds of it, she wouldn't let them if they tried
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Post by Hezz on Jul 23, 2022 0:42:23 GMT
She sounds adorable, mona.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jul 26, 2022 8:31:58 GMT
mona I agree, budgies do not care what their friends look like. The boys flirt with Lyra too even though she's not fully feathered. She has a great personality and loves to hang upside down.
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Post by mona on Oct 29, 2023 7:03:53 GMT
Milli grew most of her feather back. She could fly well for sometime and then after a month or so, I think she couldn't fly up but can slide down. She is happy with the feathers she has. I'm not sure what had happened back then.. but she isn't as bald as she was earlier..
She avoids flying most of the time, maybe due to habit.. She mostly uses ladders and perches to move around. She is friendly towards me and trusts me a lot after all that happened. We never forced her for anything when she couldn't fly.. we would get just help her out when she needed help. She started trusting me after that.. She steps up on a perch and is not very hand tame. She tries perching on my hand but isn't yet confident about it. I just love the fact that she is happy and content. Her journey has been inspiring.. The condition they came in and the plethora of health issues they had.. It feels good that I took them in back then, despite not wanting to, since I had just lost breezie. She looked almost similar to Breezie except yellow patch on her forehead and I was worried that she would always remind me of breezie. But she is completely different from breezie personality wise..
I have her babies in my flock.. Her first baby Sherry is hand tame.. He is a pretty boy.. I'm not sure about the gender of the rest of the babies.. They must be 6 month old by now. Reva, who was rescued along with Milli, paired up with Daisu (rehomed budgie boy). They had 3 baby girls - all of them are at my mom's home..
I had a flock of 18 birdies, but after cookie's departure and sending Reva's 3 baby birdies to mom's home, I have a flock of 14 birdies currently, few rescued, few rehomed and few babies of Milli.
I have trained my house help to help with a few daily cleaning tasks. It's almost 50 50 percent work distribution so it helps.. Also, she looks after them whenever we have to travel anywhere..
I have a cupboard full of birdie toy materials, all natural.. Spent a lot there.. around 15k.. To make home made toys for them. Created a lot of designs for the toys, yet to make the toys for them...
Everytime I think I won't take in any new birdie, I come across a sick or an unwanted bird.. and I can't resist taking them in. However, I stopped taking in any birds since last 6 to 8 months.. It's hard when you can't save a bird and go through their last moments.. Just to save my heart from getting overwhelmed..
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Post by Loz on Oct 29, 2023 7:18:45 GMT
Once you start taking in rescues and rehomes, it is hard to stop. I feel guilty for not currently looking for budgies that need a home but there's a limit to what you can do.
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Post by mona on Oct 29, 2023 7:27:29 GMT
loz So true! I feel guilty too !! My work hours are usually 9 to 12 hours. While I have been trying to work more on work life balance, I still have such a tight schedule. That makes it really hard. So, I delay and postpone anything else I can to look after the flock first. Some days, I'm really tired and exhausted. While I'm planning to adopt a baby girl, I'm really worried how I'm going to manage it all !! Having thought about it all, I avoid taking in any more birdies Also, I lost a few rescues.. and it was heartbreaking to bury them and go through the heartbreak time and again.. Being a weak hearted person, It was just so hurtful to cope up with that..
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Post by Loz on Oct 29, 2023 7:35:15 GMT
loz So true! I feel guilty too !! My work hours are usually 9 to 12 hours. While I have been trying to work more on work life balance, I still have such a tight schedule. That makes it really hard. So, I delay and postpone anything else I can to look after the flock first. Some days, I'm really tired and exhausted. While I'm planning to adopt a baby girl, I'm really worried how I'm going to manage it all !! Having thought about it all, I avoid taking in any more birdies Also, I lost a few rescues.. and it was heartbreaking to bury them and go through the heartbreak time and again.. Being a weak hearted person, It was just so hurtful to cope up with that.. I sympathise about the losses, it hurts when they go. every time. I cannot imagine working the long hours you do and maintaining a large flock. I'm retired and there's barely enough hours in the days! Mind you, I realised a while ago that my house is optimised for budgies to have fun & freedom, rather than for ease of cleaning and maintenance. For someone who used to say, "Ah, I'll vacuum tomorrow", it's been quite a journey.
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