Brownwing ???

[midnight]

Hi can anyone help me Ive got a brown budgie baby. It has a light Grey/blue body, head wings and tail are brown, i know u can get Cinnamon winged but this is a lot darker brown plus head and tail. My first question is Ive never seen anything like it before nor can i find any info on the net about one, is this rare? and second what would this variety be called is this the rare Brownwing? please see picture.

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[Gaile]

I think it is a Cinnamon but darker markings!

[midnight]

No dont think its cinnamon my understanding of that (I MIGHT BE WRONG) is that cinnamon just covers wings this covers its head too and tail plus it is the mauve blue/grey colour that goes along with the brownwing. ive many cinnamon winged and faded winged this is so different.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Brownwing budgies have grey/brown markings and not brown. These markings are darker than a Cinnamon budgie. Brownwing budgies are born with red eyes. Just like red eye variety (Inos). As Brownwing budgies get older the eyes become dark. They do not develop full iris rings. Instead it has brownish color.

As you can see the chick in person, decide yourself and let us know

[nev90]

This chick looks like a cinnamon.
The cinnamon mutation comes in all colours and wing patterns. Although some cinnamons have light brown markings many have very dark markings

[midnight]

Hi nev90 im aware there are many cinnamon mutations and wing paterns but as far as ive ever seen its never included in tail feathers hence why its called cinnamon winged, this is what makes this bird so different. it does not have red eyes if any thing they are deep brown not black in certain light but there is a greyish tone to the white in its wings im asking on here becouse i carnt decide for my self. in 30 years of breading them this is the first ive ever seen. i will wait untill he or she is fully feathered and repost a pic then

[midnight]

Budgie Varieties with Brown Markings

There are three budgie varieties with brown markings that you are likely to come across. This means the stripes on the head, down over the neck and the wing markings are a shade of brown instead of black.

Cinnamon
The throat spots, wing markings and barring on a cinnamon budgie are a lovely warm brown shade. The color on the body is reduced to a paler shade than normal (maybe ½ as dark), and the feet and legs are pink rather than grey. The long tail feathers are the usual color but the quill is brownish. As chicks cinnamon budgies have dark plum colored eyes, but these darken as they grow until it is difficult to distinguish from a normal black eye. The cere is the same color as in normal birds.
Cinnamon budgies usually have a lovely soft look to their body feathers which combines with their pale markings to make them very attractive. In the image above there is a cinnamon skyblue yellow face blue hen and a normal skyblue yellow face blue hen, they are sisters. You can see the difference in markings color and the strength of the blue.



Fallow
Fallows are one of the budgie varieties with brown markings similar to cinnamons though the tail is more of a greyish brown than the cinnamons dark blue. The body color is much lighter than cinnamons, looking whitish blue or yellowish green. Fallows also have red eyes, pink legs and feet and the beak is orange in color. The cere in fallows also differs from cinnamons and normals. The adult hens are the usual brown but the adult cocks cere is a flesh colored.
There are in fact several fallows types; the german fallow, japanese fallow, australian fallow, english fallow and scottish fallow. The most common two are the english and german, they look the same except for the eyes. The german fallows have a darker red eye with a white iris ring. The english have paler red eyes with a similar color iris ring, so it appears they have solid red eyes.


Lacewing
A lacewing has brown markings that are paler than either cinnamon or fallow, and a pale brown tail. The most obvious difference between them and the other varieties with brown markings is the fact that they have either yellow or white body color. They have lost the green or blue shade almost totally. So they are very pretty and distinctive birds.
They have red eyes with the usual white iris ring, fleshy pink feet and legs, and the adult cock has a flesh colored cere. The other thing to note is that the violet cheek patches of lacewings are usually quite a pale shade of violet. The tail should not have the grey/bluye shade that fallows have.


Brownwing
This variety is so rare you are unlikely to see one. It was believed extinct, has popped up again occasionally but is not safely established as yet.
From what I have been able to learn, this variety has brown markings, it has red eyes at hatching similar to an ino and develops an iris ring as an adult that remains brownish and is not very obvious.

The body color is not diluted, so it has brown markings with a normal colored body.

taken from this site none of the above match this bird as i can see

www.budgie-info.com/budgie-varieties-with-brown-markings.html

[BudgiesBuddy]

Keeping in mind your breeding experience of 30 years, I think you must have noticed something unusual in this chick from common Cinnamons. It maybe one of those odd chicks which have some of this and some of that.

Only person I know who bred Brownwings is RipBudies from Australia. I think she will be able to tell whether she experienced such a chick in her Brownwings or Cinnamons. A few clear pictures in different lights would be required though. I'll try to ask her if I can share her email address with you.

By the way, you are most welcome to post here and ask anything. In fact you have brought up a very interesting topic and I am looking forward to the discussion and future pictures of the chick. When I said decide yourself and let us know, I meant that you may compare the characteristics mentioned in my post with your chick and let us know whether or not you see any of them in the chick.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Mar 29, 2012 23:45:37 GMT nev90 said:

This chick looks like a cinnamon.
The cinnamon mutation comes in all colours and wing patterns. Although some cinnamons have light brown markings many have very dark markings

Did you ever noticed grayish brown color in Cinnamons Nev?

[midnight]

Thanks budgiesbuddy. Would much appreciate it if u could, there is so little on the net about this while im unsure its brownwing as there are some differences i am as equally convinced its not just a normal cinnamon as i said earlier gona wait for full feathers and post again thanks all for your comments and help

[BudgiesBuddy]

You are welcome

What are the cock and hen like?

[midnight]

Normal Grey Cock, Opaline Blue Hen, had 5 chicks all together 2 opaline blue 2 normal grey and this one

[nev90]

Mar 30, 2012 11:34:10 GMT midnight said:

Hi nev90 im aware there are many cinnamon mutations and wing paterns but as far as ive ever seen its never included in tail feathers hence why its called cinnamon winged, this is what makes this bird so different. it does not have red eyes if any thing they are deep brown not black in certain light but there is a greyish tone to the white in its wings im asking on here becouse i carnt decide for my self. in 30 years of breading them this is the first ive ever seen. i will wait untill he or she is fully feathered and repost a pic then

After 30 years of breeding if you see something different in this chick it probably is different. There are a couple of threads on another forum where brownwings are discussed that might interest you. I'll PM the links to you because it might be considered unethical to links to another forum here.