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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 10, 2012 23:01:39 GMT
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 10, 2012 23:05:55 GMT
Although it was informative and it focused on all Australian parrots, but budgies were one of the main focuses of this Documentary. To say the least, I was very very surprised to listen to a few facts described about budgies. And I quote... Referring to the hen, the narrator said… "Over a few days she will lay about 6 eggs which will hatch in couple of weeks."Referring to the newly hatched chicks, the narrator said… "Incredibly these chick will be ready to breed in just 60 days after hatching"Well I have never had a budgie egg hatched in 14 days. I also never heard about a budgie breeding before at least six months old. I don’t know what to make of this Documentary   |
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Post by Hezz on Apr 11, 2012 1:49:20 GMT
Me either, BB. They would seem to be highly regarded documentarians. While I am sure the wild bird scenario is different to captive, I wouldn't have imagined they would be different to those extremes. Mind you, being ready to breed doesn't mean they will, like a 12 year old boy or girl could but very rarely do! I wonder if their use of "few days" and "couple of weeks" aren't simply stretching the truth to make the film more interesting?  ? *shrug* |
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 11, 2012 3:41:40 GMT
Me either, BB. They would seem to be highly regarded documentarians. While I am sure the wild bird scenario is different to captive, I wouldn't have imagined they would be different to those extremes. I seriously have doubts about these documentaries now. A BBC documentary Frozen Planet, which is an epic of some of the world's last remaining wild places, but some parts were recorded in a zoo and people were kept unaware of it. Mind you, being ready to breed doesn't mean they will, like a 12 year old boy or girl could but very rarely do! I wonder if their use of "few days" and "couple of weeks" aren't simply stretching the truth to make the film more interesting? ? *shrug* Recommended age for budgie breeding in captivity is one year. But they are sexually mature at 6 months old. Some say 4 months but I haven't experienced it or someone I know. But it seems impossible at 2 months of age. A 6 to 8 months budgie would be like a 13 years old human. But their emphasis was that budgies are opportunistic breeders. They won't breed for very long times, as long as the drought continues. But once rain falls the breeding madness starts. |
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Post by stace on Apr 11, 2012 4:01:29 GMT
Summarised from my Budgerigar book, BB.
The wild budgie will only start breeding when natural conditions indicate that there is a high chance of breeding success. (therefore, I guess it is variable)
Under ideal conditions (consistent rain and temperatures so the grasses and plants can grow) budgies born in autumn may start to breed as young as 12 weeks of age.
They are also influenced by ancient seasonal breeding instincts where breeding activity is controlled by increasing temperatures and day length.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 11, 2012 5:16:38 GMT
The wild budgie will only start breeding when natural conditions indicate that there is a high chance of breeding success. (therefore, I guess it is variable). They are also influenced by ancient seasonal breeding instincts where breeding activity is controlled by increasing temperatures and day length. This is understandable Stace. Same applies in captivity when breeders control daylight hours, mist the birds with water, provide them with plenty and high protein food and so on. But I don't think that the wild budgie will wait for years for suitable conditions. Under ideal conditions (consistent rain and temperatures so the grasses and plants can grow) budgies born in autumn may start to breed as young as 12 weeks of age. Even this is 90 days, and it says may start to breed, unlike ready to breed. |
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Post by clinton9 on Apr 11, 2012 7:09:44 GMT
These poorly educated people who arranged the film of Australian parrots are making lot of wrong informations about parrots, as budgies start to breed at 60 days old (In really a 60 days old budgie is a juvenile bird and cannot breed at 60 days old, it is wear the juvenile plumage.) and eggs hatch on 14th day (In really eggs hatches on 18th day). Likely the budgies cannot breed until past 200th day old of age, provide that the 6 month-old budgies have new 1st adult plumages and new tertaries and 8 new primaries, and new 20 purple cheek patch feathers and 6 new necklace feathers. Last night I counted the purple cheek patch feathers from a dead adult male budgie and found budgie have ten cheek patch feathers per cheek. I think wild budgies usualy wait until they are 6 months before they can breed, at youngest age. Juvenile wild budgies have lots to learn, about social skills, foods, avoiding falcons & birds of prey, reptiles, flying skills, and usually flying with adult budgies. When they breed for 1st time, they may raise fewer chicks than when 16 months old. they learn how to raise their chicks correctly and to find the safe nesting sites. Female budgies are wood-gnawers and boring the woods, so that's why they have stronger bites than male budgies. Although it was informative and it focused on all Australian parrots, but budgies were one of the main focuses of this Documentary. To say the least, I was very very surprised to listen to a few facts described about budgies. And I quote... Referring to the hen, the narrator said… "Over a few days she will lay about 6 eggs which will hatch in couple of weeks."Referring to the newly hatched chicks, the narrator said… "Incredibly these chick will be ready to breed in just 60 days after hatching"Well I have never had a budgie egg hatched in 14 days. I also never heard about a budgie breeding before at least six months old. I don’t know what to make of this Documentary |
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 11, 2012 12:23:45 GMT
Some interesting points there Clinton  |
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Post by Hezz on Apr 12, 2012 2:32:29 GMT
I think ALL these type of filmings need to be taken with a grain of salt - in other words don't believe everything you are told.
In optimum conditions the wild budgie does go into breeding overload, with flock numbers getting into the thousands, but this is rare, and they will go years without breeding if there is not rain. Even if the young budgies do breed at this very young age, there is no way of telling how many of them die because of it, either.
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Post by stace on Apr 12, 2012 3:28:35 GMT
The wild budgie will only start breeding when natural conditions indicate that there is a high chance of breeding success. (therefore, I guess it is variable). They are also influenced by ancient seasonal breeding instincts where breeding activity is controlled by increasing temperatures and day length. This is understandable Stace. Same applies in captivity when breeders control daylight hours, mist the birds with water, provide them with plenty and high protein food and so on. But I don't think that the wild budgie will wait for years for suitable conditions. Under ideal conditions (consistent rain and temperatures so the grasses and plants can grow) budgies born in autumn may start to breed as young as 12 weeks of age. Even this is 90 days, and it says may start to breed, unlike ready to breed. Yes. I think he's saying it's possible at 12wks, at the extreme end of the spectrum, but not usual. |
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 12, 2012 12:23:41 GMT
This is understandable Stace. Same applies in captivity when breeders control daylight hours, mist the birds with water, provide them with plenty and high protein food and so on. But I don't think that the wild budgie will wait for years for suitable conditions. Even this is 90 days, and it says may start to breed, unlike ready to breed. Yes. I think he's saying it's possible at 12wks, at the extreme end of the spectrum, but not usual. Yes Stace, exactly my point |
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Apr 12, 2012 12:57:04 GMT
I have got another one too. Parrots in the Land of Oz (2008) Let's see what this one says about budgies. |
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Post by clinton9 on Apr 13, 2012 14:05:23 GMT
stace,
12 week old budgie is a 3 month-old, and still in 100% juvenile plumage, with all 100% juvenile wing feathers in wings. Cannot breed until 7-8 months old.
In 1990s I studied the moults of domestic budgies I kept.
Juvenile budgies shed their juvenile primaries 6th at age of average 89-104 days old, with one budgie shed juvenile primary 6th at age of 74 days old (rarely) and another budgie shed juvenile primary 6th at age of 111 days old.
Avarage budgies shed the last juvenile primary coverts 5th at age of 514-591 days old (14-15 months olds), and once the new adult primary coverts 5th are fully grown, these budgies cannot be aged from older budgies. Budgies have 100% full adult plumages, free from juvenile feathers at age of 531-608 days old.
My one female single factor yellow-faced type 2nd cobalt normal spangle budgie "Sarita" hatched on 17th November 1994, shed juvenile primary 6th at age of 74 days old (NOT the average age) and juvenile secondary 1st at age of 459 days old, and juvenile primary coverts 5th at age of 514 days old, Then 17 days later the new adult primary coverts 5th was fully grown, at age of 531 days old. At 531 days old her plumage is 100% fully adult.
At 531 days old, she had been the mother budgie of baby budgies.
Sarita's brother "Cream" a single factor yellow-faced type 2nd normal spangle budgie, hatched on 27th September 1992, had shed juvenile primary 6th at age of 100 days old and shed juvenile primary 10th at 201 days old and 28 days later at age of 229 days old, 1st adult primary 10th are fully grown. Cream shed juvenile secondary 1st at age of 431 days old (14 month old) and 21 days later the new secondary 1st were fully grown at age of 452 days old (15 months old) on 25th December 1993.
Cream were largely in adult plumage at 230 days old.
Wild budgies do NOT start to breed until 240 days old at youngest, with most young budgies start to breed at 250 days old.
Female budgie strongly reject the courting male budgies that have juvenile body plumages, and I have seen my adult female opaline budgie rejected my juvenile male spangle budgie, but took an interest in adult male normal budgie and now married to adult male normal budgie.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on May 1, 2012 15:34:04 GMT
I have got another one too. Parrots in the Land of Oz (2008)Let's see what this one says about budgies. It's the same DVD with different title and perhaps different narrator. |
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? *shrug* 
