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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 8, 2012 12:12:25 GMT
I was stunned to see this for the first time. It is really amazing. Bird training at it's best. I am not entirely sure how it is done. Maybe BJ can give us some insight.
Anyhow one thing is evident from the videos that even today the animals are kept hungry to train them.
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Post by Moogie on Nov 8, 2012 13:50:01 GMT
Hey BB i remember being really really young when this was shown,thought you might like it just hope the birds were treated well!
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Post by ruby 5 on Nov 8, 2012 14:31:27 GMT
Wow!!! that parrots amazing (I'd love to know what's in his reward treats )
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Post by Bird Junky on Nov 8, 2012 15:50:30 GMT
Hi Now that's what I call a step-up... Please note all would be trainers. A treat was given every time, that's how you get results....B.J.
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Post by ruby 5 on Nov 8, 2012 15:53:46 GMT
Are the birds starved first BJ? he did seem to be popping a lot of treats in his mouth.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 8, 2012 17:19:23 GMT
Hi Now that's what I call a step-up... Please note all would be trainers. A treat was given every time, that's how you get results....B.J. Do you how it is done BJ? I mean, can she listen to him from that far, or he used some other technique?
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 8, 2012 17:22:25 GMT
Hey BB i remember being really really young when this was shown,thought you might like it just hope the birds were treated well! This is very interesting and amazing as well
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Post by Bird Junky on Nov 8, 2012 19:15:11 GMT
Hi The bird is treated extremely well. It wouldn't comeback otherwise. No it's not starved it's treat is most likely to be half of a half of a peanut or half a dried current or raisin Something small. After all it's only flying. There are a couple of ways to achieve an out of sight & sound recall. One is to do & film it in stages. After all the audience didn't see the bird released only its flight from the hall door to the stage. The most probable or. Use several recallers, one at each stage. With the bird flying from one to the next off camera, there were several cuts in the tape. Not saying it wasn't good. But you know showbiz ,, All smoke & mirrors....B.J.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 20:44:52 GMT
I was wondering this, actually, as I've been doing animal behaviour and just covered classical conditioning. The other day I saw a method for getting a bird to come to your hand through classical conditioning, teaching it to associate a sound with food being on your hand. But I was wondering if you would always have to feed the bird from your hand once you had it coming to you or if you could provide a bowl and if they would then still come to your hand when you made the sound if they were full. If they wouldn't then it wouldn't be very useful if you needed to call them to your hand (perhaps for a safety reason) after they had just eaten.
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Post by stace on Nov 8, 2012 22:19:10 GMT
I've got my bird to come to me by calling him only. His reward is my company, and a nose bop. Sometimes he takes a little while to do it. If he's busy doing something else, he wants to finish up whatever he's doing before he flies over to me. It's like the human version of, "Yes, I'll be there in a minute".
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Post by Bird Junky on Nov 8, 2012 23:53:09 GMT
I've got my bird to come to me by calling him only. His reward is my company, and a nose bop. Sometimes he takes a little while to do it. If he's busy doing something else, he wants to finish up whatever he's doing before he flies over to me. It's like the human version of, "Yes, I'll be there in a minute". Hi. You haven't got your bird to come to you. He comes when he's got nothing better to do. His. 'Wait I'll do it in a minute'. Is caused by your lack of a treat. Birds for the most part organise their lives by a reciprocal code of conduct.....B.J.
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Post by Bird Junky on Nov 9, 2012 0:11:23 GMT
I was wondering this, actually, as I've been doing animal behaviour and just covered classical conditioning. The other day I saw a method for getting a bird to come to your hand through classical conditioning, teaching it to associate a sound with food being on your hand. But I was wondering if you would always have to feed the bird from your hand once you had it coming to you or if you could provide a bowl and if they would then still come to your hand when you made the sound if they were full. If they wouldn't then it wouldn't be very useful if you needed to call them to your hand (perhaps for a safety reason) after they had just eaten. Hi Are you refering to those old Russian experiments Where the dogs drooled on hearing the ringing of a bell? The trick treats are a small tit bits of a birds favourite snack. birds are foragers they don't eat their fill at one sitting & then take a nap till tea time. In nature they are always on the lookout for something tasty & are usually willing to work for it.....B.J.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 9, 2012 2:24:46 GMT
Hi The bird is treated extremely well. It wouldn't comeback otherwise. No it's not starved it's treat is most likely to be half of a half of a peanut or half a dried current or raisin Something small. After all it's only flying. There are a couple of ways to achieve an out of sight & sound recall. One is to do & film it in stages. After all the audience didn't see the bird released only its flight from the hall door to the stage. The most probable or. Use several recallers, one at each stage. With the bird flying from one to the next off camera, there were several cuts in the tape. Not saying it wasn't good. But you know showbiz ,, All smoke & mirrors....B.J. You have a point BJ but it was a live event I was wondering maybe she can smell the owner, or she was hungry and knew the owner has food or they practiced a lot
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 9, 2012 2:32:07 GMT
I was wondering this, actually, as I've been doing animal behaviour and just covered classical conditioning. The other day I saw a method for getting a bird to come to your hand through classical conditioning, teaching it to associate a sound with food being on your hand. But I was wondering if you would always have to feed the bird from your hand once you had it coming to you or if you could provide a bowl and if they would then still come to your hand when you made the sound if they were full. If they wouldn't then it wouldn't be very useful if you needed to call them to your hand (perhaps for a safety reason) after they had just eaten. Classical conditioning is a form of learning in which one stimulus. But I think in this case it is more like operant conditioning in which learning occurs when an individual's behavior is modified by its consequences, in this case reward. In some of his very famous bird experiments by B.F Skinner, a psychologist and behaviorist, kept the birds at 1/3 of their weight so he can get the desired results.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Nov 9, 2012 2:35:28 GMT
I was wondering this, actually, as I've been doing animal behaviour and just covered classical conditioning. The other day I saw a method for getting a bird to come to your hand through classical conditioning, teaching it to associate a sound with food being on your hand. But I was wondering if you would always have to feed the bird from your hand once you had it coming to you or if you could provide a bowl and if they would then still come to your hand when you made the sound if they were full. If they wouldn't then it wouldn't be very useful if you needed to call them to your hand (perhaps for a safety reason) after they had just eaten. Hi Are you refering to those old Russian experiments Where the dogs drooled on hearing the ringing of a bell? The trick treats are a small tit bits of a birds favourite snack. birds are foragers they don't eat their fill at one sitting & then take a nap till tea time. In nature they are always on the lookout for something tasty & are usually willing to work for it.....B.J.
I think she is referring to the work of Ivan Pavlov, a famous Russian physiologist and his work on dogs.
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