Fungal infection. Use of F10 antiseptic.

[dave4321]

Hi all. One of my budgies has a suspected fungal infection (the avian vets have checked him and are 90% sure that this is the cause of his symptons but can't be certain). He has been listless and very tired for some time. They have given me some F10 to cover this in case it is a fungal infection.  I am reluctant to use the F10 through a nebuliser as I'm sure this will stress the bird too much plus he has now shown signs of recovery. However I would like to use the F10 in case it is required. I would like to know if it is effective adding F10 to his water? Even if this is not as effective as using it through a nebuliser this seems a good compromise given the above detail.
Does anyone know if this is the case and if so what doseage they have used?
Thanks

[Deleted]

I thought F10 was a cleaning product not a medicine.

[Hezz]

It can be used in their water too - safe to be consumed.

dave4321, didn't the vets give you amounts to be used??? Also using the nebulizer is going to get into the bird's lungs and airsacs. I doubt it would have the same affect added to their drinking water.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Barrie uses F10SC in their drinking water. The ratio of F10 to water is very important.

[Marianne Marlow]

When you say fungal infection do you mean aspergillosis ?

[dave4321]

Thanks all for the replies. Firstly yes aspergillosis is what the avian vets suspected (but they were not certain). I do have a ratio of F10 to use but only via the nebuliser which as per my last post I am now reluctant to use as since he saw the vets 3 days ago he has become much better and is nearly back to his normal self. I had tried a number of other remedies just in case and I am suspecting that he on balence probably has not got aspergillosis and don't want to overly stress him as he is a shy bird and does not take much to handling. This is why I am wondering if there is a standard ratio of F10 to water as opposed to the nebuliser ratio. Although giving through water may not be as effective if I can quantify if it would still have an affect then I would be tempted to do this just as a safeguard and a double precaution.
I bieve that it can be given through water but my vets did not know about this and i can not track down any info on this?

BudgiesBuddy / Barrie would you know the ratio that is used then? Thanks.

Thanks again for your input.

[BudgiesBuddy]

F10SC Disinfectant

"F10 SC would be ideal for soaking millet spray to help with the control of bugs, especially fungi and their spores.
Dilution and time are related the stronger the solution the less time is required to do the job. The more resistant the bugs, the longer the time/concentration that is required. For simple soaking I would suggest that a dilution of 1:500 ie 2ml litre would be sensible and a period of half an hour adequate time.
As F10SC is non-toxic (and is used as an oral treatment for some problems) there is no necessity to wash the sprays afterwards. Shake and allow to dry. Once you wash off, the moisture will once again encourage mould growth, spores arriving from the atmosphere. Allowing the SC to dry on the seed will provide an antimicrobial barrier."

[stace]

Apr 27, 2013 19:09:17 GMT dave4321 said:

Thanks all for the replies. Firstly yes aspergillosis is what the avian vets suspected (but they were not certain). I do have a ratio of F10 to use but only via the nebuliser which as per my last post I am now reluctant to use as since he saw the vets 3 days ago he has become much better and is nearly back to his normal self. I had tried a number of other remedies just in case and I am suspecting that he on balence probably has not got aspergillosis and don't want to overly stress him as he is a shy bird and does not take much to handling. This is why I am wondering if there is a standard ratio of F10 to water as opposed to the nebuliser ratio. Although giving through water may not be as effective if I can quantify if it would still have an affect then I would be tempted to do this just as a safeguard and a double precaution.
I bieve that it can be given through water but my vets did not know about this and i can not track down any info on this?

BudgiesBuddy / Barrie would you know the ratio that is used then? Thanks.

Thanks again for your input.

Dave. I've reproduced this from the site below. If you don't have a nebuliser, it says you can use a fogger at 1:250. It doesn't offer drinking water as an option.

Similarly the use of F10SC as a long-term treatment in exotic birds might also be considered to be a safe option in refractory cases of aspergillosis where F10SC disinfectant is used by nebulisation as therapy for the treatment of Aspergillus fumigatus in exotic avian species or by over-spraying (fogging) in the presence of birds to reduce surface and airborne microbiological contamination at the higher recommended concentrations of 1:250; F10SC is unlikely to result in a build-up of chemical residues or side effects sometimes associated with systemic treatments.

www.healthandhygiene.net/issues/issue4/page4.htm

In the site here ( forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7992049 ) they put their bird in a box and attach the nebuliser through a hole. One person says twice a day for 5 mins, another twice a day for 20 mins. 

[dave4321]

BudgiesBuddy/ Stace. Thanks very much for your advice. Bobby seems a lot better now and with your help I can use the F10 as required.

[BudgiesBuddy]

You're welcome