Seed in droppings of baby budgie + Update

[j1a1c1k]

Hi everyone,

A while ago I posted about having a rather ill budgie with suspected liver disease. The post can be found here: budgerigarsforum.proboards.com/thread/7747/suspected-liver-problem-thistle-advice

Although Star showed huge signs of improvements for a few weeks and was his playful self again, he unfortunately deterioirated shortly after this and began having regular violent seizures. The vet didn't feel it was treatable and we decided it was kinder for him to be put to sleep as he no longer had any real quality of life. I'd like to thank everyone for there help and support - I like to think that he got an extra month of being his old playful self as a result of the suggestions I found here.

Fast forward to now, we wanted Stars companion to have a new friend so he wouldn't be lonely. On Saturday (15th March), we picked up our new budgie - Joey who is 6-8 weeks old. He's great fun and extremely sociable and is getting on excellently with his new older brother.

What i've just noticed today is that his droppings have started to have some seed in them. He had a seed diet at the store we had him from and other than a change in the brand of the seed, he's still on seed with a mixture of pellets in there aswell. He's not showing any other signs of illness - he's flying really well, perches high up the cage and seems to think he's a monkey rather than  a bird at times.

Should I be concerned or is this just something to keep an eye on as he transitions over to his new diet? I considered worming him with beaphar ivermectin for small birds, but i'm unsure if he's too young for that?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jack

[starlingqueen]

Is it the new budgie that is passing the seed or the original one?

[j1a1c1k]

Good question. I initially thought it was the baby but now i'm unsure and it may be the original, it's definitely not both though.

I'm just keeping an eye on it at the moment to identify which it is - as soon as I know, i'll let you know. I'm assuming if it's the original then the new budgie could have brought an infection from it's own flock?

Jack

[starlingqueen]

Have a look at this. www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/gesallgemein/indikatorkot_en.htm scroll down a bit.

To find out which bird is doing it, make a mental note of where each bird is sitting when they are sleeping at night and then look under that area in the morning.
You should have quarantined the new bird before introducing him. Too late now but for future reference.

[j1a1c1k]

Thank you starlingqueen. I'm aware that I made a mistake when it came to quarantine, unfortunately as i'm sure you're aware there's a lot of conflicting information out there regarding the process.

I'll keep an eye on both birds and for now will add Guardian Angel to make sure they are getting the vitamins they need. If things deteriorate at all or don't improve I will immediately take them to the vets.

Unfortunately, my vet isn't an Avian specialist and the normal solution is Baytril for 7 days.... I try to avoid that where possible as I think it can be over-prescribed.

Thanks,
Jack

[starlingqueen]

I would be inclined to take the bird to the vets ASAP, it could have PDD.

www.birdchannel.com/bird-diet-and-health/bird-diseases/bird-diseases-pdd.aspx

[Hezz]

Jack, Guardian Angel is more of a pick-me-up, life-saving energy booster for sick birds. I am not sure it is really appropriate in your situation. You could try replacing their water with weak black tea or weak chamomile tea; both of these are soothing to the gut and 100% safe for the budgies.

[Captain Howdy]

I would be getting both birds to an avian vet as this does sound a lot like PDD.

Did you have a necropsy done the bird that passed?

[Gaile]

Guardian Angel is like Red bull its just pick me up solution, not a cure xxx