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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 19, 2022 21:21:02 GMT
I didn't want to read and run, but I have no idea about these things. Hezz is really good at working them out.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 20, 2022 1:57:13 GMT
It is very confusing. I’ve read @willowmum’s info several times as well as sweetpea’s. My interpretation is this: the 2000 mg is the amount per serving - this is actually on the bottle - and the amount per serve is 2ml. Therefore the concentration is 1000mg/ml. jellybean, your current bottle says 900mg milk thistle extract per day (6ml) which would bring your concentration down to 150mg/ml which doesn’t seem right to me. At that rate you would have been grossly under dosing, as sweetpea has said she was. I’d need to see the back of either bottle to get a better understanding of how they are measuring their dosages. It seems as though the whole concentration/dosage thing has been made more complicated than it needs to be to comply with the different international rules.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 20, 2022 7:19:28 GMT
Hezz This is mine, does this help?
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Post by criswell on Jun 20, 2022 7:53:30 GMT
I just calculated that 3 drops of the 900mg/6ml concentration is equivalent to 4.6 drops of the 585mg/6ml concentration.
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Post by sweetpea on Jun 20, 2022 10:45:48 GMT
I find it all confusing too. I'll also wait for Hezz to work it out! I mentioned willowsmum's information to my vet & also sent her the details in case it affected other supplements she may recommend. At one point I was giving 10 drops per 70ml (585mg) instead of 3 drops, so was technically over-dosing. My vet said not to worry, as even with the extra drops, it would not be harmful. I have since reverted to the 3 drops. It's difficult to know the best thing to do at times. Maybe 3 drops (whatever the 'strength' is indicated as) is a good amount for a 'maintenance' dose.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 20, 2022 11:44:41 GMT
Turned bottle slightly to see if that helps!
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Post by Hezz on Jun 21, 2022 1:27:00 GMT
Marianne Marlow, is there anywhere on the bottle that gives a recommended daily dose? It doesn’t help any that my bottle is labelled differently. Here is my working, anyway: My Bottle labelled as 2000mg per serve, serving size 2ml as stated on the back of the bottle. It also states the 2ml is equivalent to approx 61 drops. Therefore each drop (2000 divided by 61) = 33mg; 3 drops being 99-100 mg and adding this to 100mls or water. UK BOTTLE: 585mg/day is the daily recommended dose = 6mls of MT 6mls should be 183 drops, giving a concentration of 3.2 mg/drop ( 585 divided by the 183 drops) ( 2mls being = to 61 drops) 3 drops into your 100 mls of water = 9.6mg I don’t really trust this as I’m not convinced the values they are using on both bottles are the same. It sound too far off. I find it hard to believe that your strength is one tenth of mine. Can anyone see an error in my thinking?
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Post by criswell on Jun 21, 2022 7:12:40 GMT
Hezz on your 2000mg bottle does it say 2000mg 1:1 dry herb equivalent? I just watched the video on the link below and it says made from 2000mg of seed. The other bottles refer to concentration of seed extract so I think that's where the difference is coming from. I think you are right that the concentrations aren't comparable.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 21, 2022 7:53:20 GMT
Hezz, you can see the dose at the top. The bottle is quite shiny, but I think I got it in this time.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 22, 2022 0:29:42 GMT
Hezz on your 2000mg bottle does it say 2000mg 1:1 dry herb equivalent? I just watched the video on the link below and it says made from 2000mg of seed. The other bottles refer to concentration of seed extract so I think that's where the difference is coming from. I think you are right that the concentrations aren't comparable. It does, criswell, but it also says 2000mg per serving on the front of the bottle and then a serving size of 2ml on the back, so the concentration should be 1000mg/ml. Edit: I’ve just watched the video. It doesn’t actually say how much makes up the 2000mg of seed. It’s just a promotional vid rather than anything scientific. Unfortunately.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 22, 2022 0:37:04 GMT
Hezz, you can see the dose at the top. The bottle is quite shiny, but I think I got it in this time. That’s what I thought it was saying but just couldn’t make out a word or two on the far edge of the bottle. 1-2ml once a day, may be increased to 1-2mls up to three times a day. Then goes on to say 585mg per 6mls.
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Post by criswell on Jun 22, 2022 8:01:00 GMT
Hezz I agree about the video not being the most scientific but coupled with the reference to dry weight of herb rather than extract on the bottle I think it means that each 2ml is produced from 2000mg of seed rather than it contains 2000mg extract per serving. I've emailed Nature's Answer to ask so will let you know what they say.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jun 22, 2022 8:07:12 GMT
How confusing! I hate it when manufacturers use different measurements on products. The supermarkets do a similar thing with prices, some show the product price by litre or 100ml, admittedly that one is easier to work out
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Post by criswell on Jun 22, 2022 12:00:22 GMT
I think some of it has to do with different labelling rules between US and UK. I think ours might be more strict. The only UK site I've seen selling the 2000mg bottle is iherb. Some of the others say it's 2000mg in the description but have pictures of 900mg bottle which makes me think that they might be the same thing. Another site says it's extract from 2000mg of seed per 2ml. Hopefully Nature's Answer will get back to me and shed some light.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 24, 2022 0:36:44 GMT
criswell, I think you will get the same reply as willowsmum did. She pasted it on page one.
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