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Post by criswell on Feb 8, 2022 0:03:03 GMT
I hope Cocoa does settle in soon. It must get pretty stressful having him calling all the time.
It's a shame he makes sad noises when you cover him up. Dean Stockwell used to do that for a time when I covered them. It made me have to go back to the cage and lift the cover to say goodnight to him again before shutting the door and leaving them for the night.
I hope your tonsilitis gets better quickly.
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Post by willowsmum on Feb 8, 2022 0:04:10 GMT
Hope you're not feeling too poorly Ira. It's going to be even harder to cope with Cocoa's demands if you are under the weather. Hope you can rest and are feeling better soon.
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Post by Hezz on Feb 8, 2022 0:52:37 GMT
Hezz We've both started trying. You can't go too far from the cage though because if he's in one of his yelling fits then half the time when he pauses you turn and start to talk to him, only for him to yell again, so you never get more than half a step towards the cage. I confess to begging him to please shut up last week when I was trying to clean, and then proceeded to have a bit of a meltdown. When cleaning on Sunday I put earphones in with some music to take the edge off, which helped. Yes, this will happen, and you have to keep your focus on what you want to achieve. With two you should be able to take it in turns, that might help the frustrations. Having a play time and teaching him how to use his toys should help in the long term when he has to spend time in the cage. Loki, not a Linnie I know, but an even louder bit of Velcro, has really only in the past six months or so started amusing himself with his toys. I have a bit of a routine that I go through when I need him in his cage. A little container with small pieces of several types of nut lives in the same place always. He can’t help but come when I rattle the pot. I tell him I need him in his cage etc, if he is one me most of the time he happily goes into the cage to a particular perch and waits for his treat. If he is on his play gym, on top of his cage, he scoots down and is inside waiting by the time I get to the cage. Sometimes, usually if he has been caged for a longer time during the day he will not cooperate. There are also times now where before he would yell all the way through, now he will play quietly in his cage until that time is up, dinner being one of them. As soon as I start to move away from the table he starts to yell. All this is building a routine, and you are too early in your relationship for there to be an established routine as yet. If you really get in a bad place, hand over to Ant if possible. I zone Loki’s calling out (most of the time this does work) but other members of the family just get yelling as well which doesn’t help anyone or anything!
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Post by Morgan on Feb 8, 2022 4:57:45 GMT
I hope the budgies can start to be some comfort to him. It sounds like he has separation anxiety, like a howling puppy left alone at home. I'm so sorry he's so loud! Mine are sooo quiet. They only ever contact call if you try to separate them where they can't see each other, like the budgies do.
I agree with asking the breeder as well for some input since she's probably experienced a myriad of different linnie personalities, and probably comments and insights from the various people she's sold to as well. Hang in there! Not feeling well at this time probably makes it more stressful too.
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Post by Ira on Feb 8, 2022 5:31:07 GMT
Morgan apparently Sunny, the sibling, has stopped yelling. I end up wondering if it would have been better to get both of them, but I didn't particularly want two and Sunny was not interested in us. We could have just ended up with two yelling birds. I'll try feeding the budgies different things on the big tray today so that Cocoa can join in. (I have to sit at the table though or he wonders where I've gone) The breeder's approach is usually to reply to repeated contact calls with a quiet word or sound that is easy to mimic, in the hope they pick that up instead. He's so chilled with Ant and then starts up as soon as he hears me on the stairs now. Hezz that's good advice, thank you. Fortunately Ant is more tolerant than I am, although he spends longer in the bird room than I do. Tom, my housemate, is also very tolerant and would probably do a 5 minute stint if I asked him. He and Xana both invite Cocoa to hang out on them if I take him into whichever room they're in, so at least he gets to socialise with multiple people. Fortunately dinner should be easier now that the cage is no longer right next to the table. Although it is now right behind the sofa. Then all I'll need to keep an eye on is if he ends up on top of the budgie cage a lot after I've covered them up for bed. ffiscool, criswell, willowsmum thanks, I usually bounce back from things quickly so hopefully. As long as my head isn't too bad I should be able to tolerate him. He and I didn't really stand much chance at the end of last week because of how much I had going on. Advice on their calling is definitely a mixed bag. Some people say to reply so that the bird is reassured that you're there, and others say to ignore so that you're not encouraging behaviour that you don't want. I don't know if the sounds are sad or if they just sound sad. They're cute though, so I should probably give him attention for those.
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Post by Ira on Feb 8, 2022 7:16:04 GMT
It's moments like now that confuse me. He's been out with me just fine, then he goes off of his own volition, wanders around on top of the cage, and then starts up his screeching, and I have no idea what he actually wants. He's now back in and eating, though, so maybe he wanted more food, because eating with me wasn't good enough for him. At least if it really does get too much the breeder is more than happy to take him back and find another home for him.
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Post by Ira on Feb 8, 2022 7:45:03 GMT
Morgan I experimented with popping Munchy in with Cocoa, leaving the cage doors open so Munchy could make a hasty exit if necessary. All was fine for a while, Cocoa was just watching Munchy curiously, but then it seems like he must have gotten fed up of Munchy's singing or something, because he turned around, leaned down and screamed at him. Not a contact call but a proper scream sounding noise.
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Post by ariella on Feb 8, 2022 7:45:45 GMT
Sounds very frustrating for you Ira. Hope you bounce back from the tonsillitis quickly and Cocoa isn’t too demanding while you’re home. Really hope you make a breakthrough.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 8, 2022 9:11:34 GMT
Ira, what attracted you to this breed initially? Sorry if this is posted elsewhere. I'd never even heard of Linnies until you mentioned them. Sorry he's stressing you out, I hope he settles into some sort of routine soon. Hope you feel better too x
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Post by Ira on Feb 8, 2022 9:37:24 GMT
Ira, what attracted you to this breed initially? Sorry if this is posted elsewhere. I'd never even heard of Linnies until you mentioned them. Sorry he's stressing you out, I hope he settles into some sort of routine soon. Hope you feel better too x Ironically, how quiet they were meant to be.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 8, 2022 9:47:53 GMT
Typical...🤣🤣
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 8, 2022 10:04:57 GMT
My budgies call when they want another budgie to come and follow them, so maybe that is what Cocoa is doing.
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Post by Loz on Feb 8, 2022 10:17:55 GMT
It's likely that Cocoa cannot make himself understood to the budgies and vice versa, a language barrier.
I see this myself with interactions between the kakariki and the senior budgies. Chocobo cannot make herself understood, even when she's attempted to placate or submit. And she doesn't really get it when the budgies are irritated and voicing their "chittering" warning calls. Budgies and chocobos just don't speak the same language.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 8, 2022 10:19:51 GMT
So, like a toddler throwing a tantrum when they cannot express themselves.
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Post by Loz on Feb 8, 2022 10:23:01 GMT
So, like a toddler throwing a tantrum when they cannot express themselves. I've seen hints of this behaviour with my flock. I believe this to be the case.
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