Budgerigarists / budgerigar breeders,

[clinton9]

Hi budgerigarists / budgerigar breeders,
Photoes of my budgerigars I kept in 1990s.

Can you please ID these budgerigars for me.

I were confused by colours of yellow-faced blue budgies'


Above. Start from left on the perch:

Yellow-faced skyblue type opaline spangle, female.
?? need ID opaline, female.
yellow-faced skyblue type normal spangle, male.
Yellow-faced skyblue type 1st normal, male.
? need ID opaline spangle, male.
Yellow-faced skyblue type opaline spangle, male.


Above. Start from left on perch:

Cobalt opaline spangle, juvenile male.
?? need ID opaline , male.
? need ID opaline spangle, male.
? need ID skyblue opaline, female.
Cobalt opaline spangle, male.


Above. Start from left on perch:

Yellow-faced type skyblue opaline spangle, female.
?? need ID opaline, male.
?? need ID opaline, male.
?? skyblue opaline, female.
Yellow-faced type normal spangle, male.
Yellow-faced type 1st skyblue normal, male.


Above. Start from left on perch:

Yellow-faced type skyblue opaline spangle, female.
Yellow-faced type skyblue opaline spangle, male.
Yellow-faced type skyblue normal spangle, male.
Yellow-faced type 1st skyblue normal, male.
Cobalt opaline spangle, juvenile male.
?? need ID skyblue opaline, female.
?? need ID opaline spangle, male.
Cobalt opaline spangle, male.



Two photoes, above. Yellow-faced skyblue type (need ID) opaline spangle, male.



Two photoes above. (need ID) opaline spangle, male.

[Gaile]

sorry I cannot see any photo!!!!!

[clinton9]

Hi Gaile,
I apologise, but I am the newest member of this forum and I struggled to post the my photoes of budgerigars, rather frustusting for me.

I hope you enjoy look at my photoes

Yours Sincerely

Clinton.

[barrieshutt]

hi Clinton and welcome

[Hezz]

Hi Clinton and welcome. Photos are up now so you did something right. C'mon people, Clinton wants colours ID'ed

[BudgiesBuddy]

Hi Clinton and welcome to forum

Let's start this one by one.



Yellow-faced skyblue type opaline spangle, female.
?? need ID opaline, female. Yes she is Opaline and female
yellow-faced skyblue type normal spangle, male. Right if you are talking about the 4th bird from left. Maybe Cinnamon too.
Yellow-faced skyblue type 1st normal, male. Right
? need ID opaline spangle, male. 6th bird from left is Opaline Spangle male
Yellow-faced skyblue type opaline spangle, male. Right, the last bird

They are all very gorgeous

[clinton9]

I meant colours....How I tell the diffenence between Goldenface blue budgies from Yellow-faced type 2nd blue budgies ?

Yellow-faced type 1st blue budgies are easy to tell, but I am really confused about which are which the goldenface blue budgies and the yellow-face type 2nd blue budgies.

Need help, plus photoes of goldenface blue budgies and yellow-face type 2nd blue budgies.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Feb 13, 2012 9:23:04 GMT @clinton9 said:

I meant colours....How I tell the diffenence between Goldenface blue budgies from Yellow-faced type 2nd blue budgies ?

Yellow-faced type 1st blue budgies are easy to tell, but I am really confused about which are which the goldenface blue budgies and the yellow-face type 2nd blue budgies.

Need help, plus photoes of goldenface blue budgies and yellow-face type 2nd blue budgies.

Here is some information.

www.budgieplace.com/c_yellowface.html
www.budgerigarassociation.org/Articles/Goldenface2.pdf
www.bestofbreeds.net/al-nasser/article12.htm
www.bestofbreeds.net/rares/rainbows1.htm
www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/coloursmutations.htm

If you are looking for advanced gene information, there is an article by Peter Bergman "Gene function in Yellowface Budgerigars".
Or you can contact RipBudggies for some meterial as she is currently breeding and focusing on Goldenfaces.

[clinton9]

I looked at all websites, but they are not useful in tell a goldenfaced blue budgies from yellow-faced blue type 2nd budgies, and there is nothing useful in ID these yellow-faced budgies.

I found out the yellow-faced blue type 1st (sometimes called "cream-faced") budgies had white wing stripe on underside secondary flight feathers, while yellow-faced blue type 2nd had yellow wing stripe on secondary flight feathers.

I do not know how to tell a golden faced blue budgie from other yellow-faced blue budgies.




Above: Upper half of photo: Female yellow-faced grey cobait type 1st opaline spangle.
Below half of photo: Wings of all female yellow-faced budgies.
Upper row of 3 wings: start from left, toward right.
Yellow-faced type 2nd cobait normal spangle.
Yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait opaline spangle, upperside.
Yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait opaline spangle, underside.
Bottom row of 2 wings and tail feathers of all female yellow-faced budgies.
Yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait normal spangle, upperside.
Yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait normal spangle, underside.
Tail feathers:
Left: yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait normal spangle.
Right: yellow-faced type 2nd grey cobait opaline spangle.


Above: both normal budgies are yellow-faced type 1st.
Note the creamy coloured faces and white wing stripe on inner webs of secondary flight feathers.
Left: male yellow-faced skyblue normal.
Right: female yellow-faced grey cobait normal.


Above: wing of female juvenile yellow-faced type 2nd skyblue normal. Note the yellow wing stripe on inner webs of secondary flight feathers.


Above: Wings of adult male yellow-faced type 2nd cobait normal.


Yellow-faced type 1st cobait opaline in flight.

[BudgiesBuddy]

Here is the explanation from RipBudgies. I hope this helps

Yellow Face Mutant 1 Single Factor (Commonly referred to as Yellow Face Type 1) has a Yellow Face. There can be some spillage but because the yellow is not as intense as Yellow Face Mutant 2, the spillage is not as noticeable as well. The fainter the yellow will be, the less obvious the spillage in result. The Double Factor is white faced.

Yellow Face Mutant 2 Single Factor (Commonly referred to as Yellow Face Type 2) has Yellow Face with yellow through the body giving a sea green color. The yellow in Double Factor is restricted more to the facial area. Some spillage will occur. It may not be noticeable much depending on the body color of the bird. This particular mutant was known only to exist in the UK and was bred by Ken Gray. Even Ken Gray himself has never proven beyond a show of a doubt that this mutant and the Goldenface are one and the same.

Goldenface Single Factor and Double Factor is the same as for Yellow Face Mutant 2. But it seems that the Goldenface has a lot brighter yellow. This is the bird which was used by Keston Foriegn Bird Farms to produce rainbows.

[stace]

It seems there is a lot of confusion on the yellowface and goldenface.

I've been told my pet type budgie is a double factor goldenface. His yellow is very bright buttercup yellow.



Others have identified him as a yellowface type 2, but I'm told that YF2's were not brought into Australia.

He has yellow markings under his tail, but not under his wings.



He has some slight uneven bleed of the yellow into the top part of his body, but the bottom half is still bright blue.

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Also kept this...

Yellowface Mutant 1

The Yellowface type 1 variety visually is a pale lemon yellow that replaces the normally white areas of a blue budgerigar and does not mix with the body color. Although a green can carry this gene, it is only visually seen in the blue series. This includes albino (creamino), dark eyed clear, grey and violets in all their three depths of shades. There are currently two schools of thought on this mutation genetics/inheritance. Perhaps eventually we’ll know with certainty which form is correct.

The currently established thought is that this is a mutation that has a single factor (byf1b) which visually produces a yellow face, and double factor form (byf1byf1) which visually produces a white face blue that is separate than the normal “true” white face blue variety (bb).

A new viewpoint takes this a step further that the yellowface is a representation of a combination of two types of blue genes. With this line of thinking the two types of blue (b1b1 and b2b2) when paired with itself is a white faced blue, but when combined (b1b2) produces the visually recognized yellowface variety.


Yellowface Mutant 2

The yellowface type 2 mutation is dominant in nature and comes in a single factor and double factor form. In the single factor version you find the same yellow face with an evenly colored sea-green blue body color. The double factor form is a pale lemon yellow that replaces the white areas of the blue series and changes the upper portion of the body color a blue-green color while the bottom areas of the bird remain blue in color. The spread of the yellow into the body color becomes more progressive with each successive molting.


Goldenface

The goldenface works like that of the yellowface mutant 2, except it is a separate mutation genetically. There is however a difference in the color of the yellow, where the goldenface is described as a rich golden buttercup yellow instead of it’s paler cousin. In a single factor form it creates an even deep sea-green color. In the double factor form the head is golden and the yellow bleeds into the upper portion of the body color creating a dark blue-green while the lower portions retain the blue coloring. The spread of the yellow into the body color becomes more progressive with each successive molting.


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the YF2 and GF do not turn into white faces in double factor form... but it does change the "look" of how the yellow bleeds. Which gives a very similiar effect, by reducing the amount of yellow produced but whereas the YF1 double factor removes the yellow completely, the YF2 and GF double factors only remove the yellow partially (from the lower areas of the body) where the single factor would have been evenly spread throughout the body.

I do have some YF2's and GF's in my breeding and found the information provided by the research I did to match with my own experiences with them. Was very enlightening to learn, and explains why some people consider the yellowface genetics to be 'complex'.

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they are genetically seperate mutations but act similiar in how they work as far as distribution of the yellow coloring, the intensity of the yellow is different though depending on YF2 or GF.

If you pair a (SF) YF2 x (SF) GF = the goldenface is dominant to the YF2, so you'd have genetically:

25% YF2 (SF)
25% GF (SF)
25% YF2 (SF) GF (SF) {looks like a GF single factor}
25% normals

If you pair a (DF) YF2 x (DF) GF =

all chicks would be YF2 (SF) GF (SF) and look visually like a GF single factor.


If you pair a (DF) YF2 x (SF) GF =

50% YF2 (SF)
50% YF2 (SF) GF (SF)


Now lets try something fun, a (SF) YF2 x (SF) YF2 (SF) GF =

YF2 (DF)
YF2 (SF)
YF2 (DF) GF (SF)
YF2 (SF) GF (SF)
GF (SF)
Normals

.... as you can see they are seperate mutations, and could come up with some interesting looks... this works similair to how the German Fallow and English Fallow are similair in apperance and inheritance but genetically seperate mutations.

[clinton9]

If you keep both yellow-faced type 2nd blue budgies and golden-faced blue budgies, of both single & double factors in a same avairy, and you look at budgies...you think...which are which the golden-faced blue budgies

A Yellow-faced type 2nd violet-cobait budgies can be mistaken for a double factor golden-faced cobait budgies, making more frustusting for budgerigar breeders and members alike.


Above: Is this a double factor Golden faced skyblue opaline
This female bird inside red O, had golden yellow face that in 1996 I thought "Is this a golden-faced "


Above: Is this a double factor yellow-faced type 2nd cobait opaline budgie

This bird inside the red O, had blue plumage and is not a Golden-faced as it did not had golden yellow face. Body is not sea green colour.

[BudgiesBuddy]

It is very very difficult to recognize a Yellow Face Mutant 2 from a Goldenface in pictures.

[stace]

Neville might be able to help once he comes on. (Nev 90 screen name) He's a crack shot with genetics and identifying birds.

[nev90]

The problem with trying to identify yellow face types from pictures is that the picture quality can make the colours appear very different than they really are.

The birds with a limited spread of yellow could be mutant type 1 but double factor mutant type 2 or double factor golden face can easily be mistaken for single factor type 1