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Post by Loz on Jan 27, 2024 11:54:28 GMT
Wing flickering is frustration? Isabeau was doing that, the first couple of days. It's nice to know what it signifies!
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Post by Ira on Jan 27, 2024 13:39:11 GMT
Normally, yeah. Munchy used to do it if I touched certain toys, leaning forward the way that Haru was earlier.
Indie does it in his slightly more upright manner, when he's doing that odd standing on the corner of something with his wings slightly out. In his case he lifts them slightly whilst keeping them folded, as opposed to the unfolding method Haru was doing. With Indie I can never figure out what's bothering him though.
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Post by Loz on Jan 27, 2024 13:44:47 GMT
Indie needs to work on is communication skills! With Isabeau, I think she was fed up with being confined to her cage for two days. I always do this with new guys, I won't let them out until I know that they know where their food is.
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Post by Ira on Jan 27, 2024 17:19:51 GMT
Peri was the worst at that with me. He was determined that food was on the floor of whichever enclosure he was in, whether that was the cage or the room.
Otherwise I've had Indie who didn't want to come out anyway, and then Yuki copying him.
Gwen just let you put her in and out (and refused to eat for days anyway).
Aster was excellent at navigating back into the cage.
And Haru... Haru knows where her food is. She just can't figure out how going in and out of the cage works.
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Post by Ira on Jan 27, 2024 17:21:24 GMT
Indie visited me in the bathroom whilst I was showering. He flew out of the office during one of his shouting competitions with Haru, ended up in the bathroom, and then couldn't figure out how to get back out again.
Stop the press! Haru just climbed down the cage to the perch outside the doors and went in! Whoop!
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Post by Ira on Feb 1, 2024 16:31:40 GMT
Haru took a trip to the vet today for an initial health check. Her body condition is good and she is in good shape. She had some blood taken to screen for PBFD, polyoma virus, and chlamydia.
We got Pippin's autopsy results. His liver cells were showing signs of degeneration. And he still had some traces of AGY in the proventriculus.
Restarting sodium benzoate treatment tomorrow for a second course for the others as advised.
And booked Yuki in for his liver check-up bloods at the end of the month (after payday...)
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 1, 2024 22:30:28 GMT
Hopefully Haru's tests come back clear.
Poor Pippin, he was obviously very unwell.
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Post by Ira on Feb 1, 2024 22:46:25 GMT
He was. He held out so much longer than I thought he would.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 1, 2024 22:55:01 GMT
He did.. a credit to your care. He was. He held out so much longer than I thought he would.
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Post by skysmum on Feb 1, 2024 23:04:59 GMT
Bless pippin he was a poorly boy, testament to your care that he went on as long as he did.
How long do you have give another course of meds to the others for?
Glad little Haru passed her initial tests, fingers crossed the others come back clear.
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Post by criswell on Feb 2, 2024 7:55:11 GMT
I hope Haru's tests are all negative. How is she getting on during her quarantine? I bet she's keen to meet the others.
Pippin was a little super star.
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Feb 2, 2024 12:45:59 GMT
Regarding wing flickering. I have seen my budgies do it when they are annoyed or jealous.
Daisy just did it because a budgie was trying to get into a cage she was in and another budgie was blocking the entrance.
Also when a budgie sees another playing with "their" bestie they sometimes do it, while staring at their friend.
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Post by Ira on Feb 2, 2024 21:02:54 GMT
Haha, yes, Marianne Marlow! The look they give! It's very sweet of you guys to say that. Pippin was a fighter. He was still able to fight me at the end, and I'm glad that he hadn't had to fully deteriorate. skysmum It'll be a 28 day course, so the last day will be when Yuki has his liver bloods. criswell We don't talk about the mess of Haru's quarantine. She wasn't eating because she was constantly contact calling, so... yeah, Yuki's doing time with her. So hopefully he's not shedding AGY, which she'll catch anyway at some point living here I'm sure. :/ And hopefully she's not got anything nasty for him to catch Buuut, if she has they'll probably all end up with it anyway. WOOOOO! Also... can't add a text file, it seems, but for anyone interested, here is the summary of Pippin's autopsy report (under spoilers for those who want to avoid) Description: Multiple sections of various organs are examined (as specified below): · Heart (whole): No histopathological abnormalities are detected. · Trachea/lungs: Tracheal and pulmonary architectures are generally intact, with diffuse marked congestion apparent. No histological abnormalities are overtly detected. · Air sacs: Air sac architecture is fragmented, however otherwise generally intact, and congested. There is no overt evidence of active inflammatory infiltrates, infectious microorganisms, or neoplastic malignancies in the examined planes of section. · Liver: Hepatic architecture is generally intact, however, hepatocytes diffusely exhibiting mild to moderate swollen profiles with feathery (degenerate) eosinophilic cytoplasm with occasional intracytoplasmic vacuoles (hydropic degeneration). Necrosis and inflammation are not features in the examined planes of section. Portal areas and biliary epithelia are unremarkable. · Pancreas: No histopathological abnormalities are detected. · Ventriculus (no isthmus/proventriculus): Mild diffuse superficial erosion of the koilin layer is apparent. Otherwise no overt histological abnormalities are detected. · Pancreas: No histopathological abnormalities are detected in either the exocrine, endocrine, or ductal populations. · Small intestine: Multiple segments are examined (duodenum and jejunum). General architecture is intact, with intestinal villi primarily appearing long and slender with only scant lymphocytic infiltrates and congested blood vessels expanding the lamina propria. Intraluminal content comprises of sloughed epithelial autolysed debris, digested plant matter, and bacterial overgrowth. No parasites are detected. Diagnoses: 1.Diffuse, moderate to marked, acute hepatocellular degeneration, liver.
Comments: Histological examination confirms the presence of diffuse moderate to marked acute hepatocellular degeneration consistent with the elevated liver parameters described in the clinical history. The cause of this diffuse acute hepatic degeneration, however, is not histologically apparent but possible exposure to toxins, recent infections and/or medications may be possibilities. Unfortunately, sections of proventriculus are not evident in these examined slides to confirm the presence of any lesions, and as such I will request that the technicians return to the case and re-sample for any relevant-looking tissue.
Description: Addendum - Additional section of tissue: · Ventriculus/isthmus: An additional section of the sampled ventriculus-isthmus region is examined, which demonstrates scant elongated rod-shaped yeasts (Macrorhabdus ornithogaster, "megabacteria") within the eroded koilin layer and subjacent mucosa with mild localised lymphoplasmacytic infiltrates evident. Minimal proventricular tissue is evident following re-embedding, and all tissues had been original sampled for histological examination. Diagnosis: 1. Mild erosive and lymphoplasmacytic ventriculitis with intralesional scant atypical enlongate yeasts ("Megabacteria"/Macrorhabdus ornithogaster), ventriculus/isthmus region.
Comment: Histological examination confirms the presence of scant Macrorhabdus ornithogaster-like microorganisms within areas of erosive ventriculitis near the isthmus. Upon querying the lack of proventriculus tissue in the original histological examination, I can confirm that all tissues had been sampled by the technicians and this addendum represents reorientated "the ventriculus-isthmus border" - although minimal proventricular tissue is present. Given the PM gross description of "proliferative proventriculus" and the identification of "megabacteria"-like micro-organisms, hyperplastic and lymphocytic proventriculitis due to recent Macrorhabdus ornithogaster infection seems consistent.
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Post by Ira on Feb 2, 2024 23:10:01 GMT
I feel somewhat guilty for giving Loz and Criswell potentially infected birds, even though I had no way of knowing at the time.
And it could be that all 4 of them are completely clear, depending on when things were shedding. Or they could be infected but not shed. And I could offer to take the birds back to minimise the potential damage (not that I think either of them would want me to), but that would only work if they hadn't already spread the AGY. If they have then it would already be too late anyway.
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Post by Loz on Feb 2, 2024 23:26:34 GMT
There's no way anyone can be certain that every bird they take in is clear of infection. I've rehomed over a dozen budgies - there was always a risk. Even purchasing from a reputable breeder is not 100% risk-free.
What's done is done, no one is at fault here. My immediate concern is what do I do about Eva & Isabeau? They are in quarantine and have had no contact with my Flock. Is it fair to bring them into the flock or should I be looking at rehoming them?
I guess I'll need to get some testing done to confirm whether I have an infected flock. It looks like my new girls will be in quarantine for an extended period and potentially, looking for a new home.
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