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Post by Loz on May 8, 2023 10:16:49 GMT
I hope Homer can work his way through this and can enjoy a good quality of life with you, lemonora. You are looking after the lad very well and care for him so much.
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Post by ariella on May 8, 2023 12:32:14 GMT
Very sorry to hear Homer is also having seizures lemonora. Awful to hear so many of the forum buds are unwell at the moment but for sure, it’s good to know they are in the best hands and loving homes where they’ll receive the best care.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2023 20:00:45 GMT
I’m sad to hear about the seizures I've been going through this with my bird Homer having seizures and Honestly the one thing that I found to be very helpful is (Vitamin B complex) And the vet just recently advised me to use (vitamin A) as well just a few drops a month but I still can’t tell if it’s beneficial (new) But I can definitely recommend (vitamin B complex) I give it to him daily and whenever I reduce it the seizures come back and sometimes worse than before I hope this helps It’s awful to see our little buds going through this I’m constantly with him and he’s all I think about Worried all the time and my heart aching all day I wish you and your little bud the best Thank you lemonora. I'll look into the vitamin B complex. I know that calcium is also important so I have already upped that. Your words could have been mine... that constant worry & constant thinking of them. I hope Homer stabilises & you both get some relief.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2023 20:12:29 GMT
To my mind, what you have experienced with your birds is not normal, sweetpea. I know you have a great (read that as expensive and multivisited) relationship with your vet so I would be asking some questions such as “why me?” Are the buds coming from the same breeding ground, and maybe there is something there that is not helpful for their health. I can’t imagine your birds’ diet would be lacking, but maybe discuss this with your vet as well. Are you in an area that has some pollution, all or some of the time, so is this being brought on by your surrounding environment? Low levels of calcium, Vit B (12, I think), Vit D - these can be contributors. While seizures can be relatively common in some parrots, and budgies are one of these, I feel that you are experiencing more than your fair share. It may not help reduce your stress levels but I do think that being proactive and being able to rule certain causes out may help you focus on what else you might be able to do to reduce the number of incidences in the future. The problem with seizures is that the cause could be many. As I refuse invasive tests, there is an awful lot of speculation. I never really knew what caused Bezukhov's seizures (petit mals) but it's possible they were liver-related. Perry's seizures presented very differently to Bezukhov's. Once again, there's no confirmation of the cause, although the Epiphen medicine did work well for a few months so perhaps that confirms it was neurological. That said, he had a lump which may have pressed on a nerve so perhaps that was involved. Who knows. The weird thing is this.... Bezukhov's seizures began in May. Perry's seizures began in.... May. Finkleberry's seizures began in......... May. I know with Bezukhov we floated the idea of it being allergies as he had less during winter months. With Perry the vet even wondered if he was triggered by an outside noise as for some time he kept having them between 10pm-midnight.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2023 20:27:20 GMT
One thing to take into consideration with a rehomed bird is also, did the previous owner know they were sick, or had he already displayed signs that he was and they were missed? Not for Perry and Bezukhov as I think you had them from babies, but with Finkle it could be a consideration. I remember when you got him home for the first time, you asked if I saw a problem with his posture. So you already saw something immediately. I suspect that even if Finkle was previously having seizures, they probably wouldn't have noticed... Yes, I had Perry & Bezukhov from about 2-3 months old. Finkle, as a rehome, has an unknown history. He's over 3 years old, so no idea where he's been (he was with previous owner for a year, allegedly) or what he's been exposed to. That said, the mirror he came with, the bell was absolutely covered in rust. (I was nearly in tears in the cab home looking at it - I'd put it in my bag). So, before I even got them home, I was worried about possible poisoning. I showed the mirror to the vet so she could bear it in mind while examining them (1 week after I got them). Finkle still rests with his head dropped low, though possibly not as pronounced as before. I wonder if that's just his thing. I mean he seems otherwise ok.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2023 20:28:16 GMT
sweetpea I'm so sorry to hear this. Silver had seizures so I fully understand how upsetting it is to witness. I hope you are able to find some answers. Sorry to hear that Silver had seizures. They are so distressing to watch.
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Post by sweetpea on May 8, 2023 20:33:09 GMT
Jerry had seizures, at least 3 over about 6 months, eventually leading to paralysis and had to be pts, and he was only 2 years old. Jerry was from a pet shop that wasn't a great place. He was the 3rd and final budgie of mine that came from a pet shop. Bertie had some sort of seizure, but he was already nearing the end when that happened so I am not sure that counts. If memory serves, he was about 3 and a half. I am confident that what George had in 2021 was a stroke as it only happened once. One side of him was paralysed. He recovered but had some personality changes and gradually stopped being able to fly. It was very different from Jerry. George was also a lot older when it happened, about 9. I'm not really clear on the difference between a seizure & a stroke. I know the vet mentioned possible mini-strokes with Perry but that was towards the end. Two years & three & a half is just so young. I'm sure all the breeding for pretty colours & fancy feathers has caused all these problems, because over the years we have become better educated in how to look after our birds, so in theory, they should be living longer, or at least have healthier lives.
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Post by criswell on May 8, 2023 22:20:27 GMT
I'm so sorry that Finkleberry as had some seizures. I hope you and your vet will be able to find some way to stabalise him. He couldn't wish for a better person to be looking after him.
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Post by Hezz on May 9, 2023 1:42:45 GMT
A stroke happens when the blood flow to the brain is interrupted; a seizure is a misfiring of the electrical impulses in the brain. sweetpea, I understand you don’t have any answers and don’t want to go the invasive test route. I also didn’t realise that Finkle was a rehome, so that’s another set of circumstances that may be possible causes. This is the Vit B supplement that lemonora is giving to Homer and it does seem to be helping him. It might be worth trying even though as you say there are many different and unrelated possible causes. Surely it can’t do any harm?
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Post by lemonora on May 9, 2023 7:03:16 GMT
I hope Homer can work his way through this and can enjoy a good quality of life with you, lemonora. You are looking after the lad very well and care for him so much. Thank you lozhinge for your kind words I hope so too He truly is the apple of my eye
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Post by lemonora on May 9, 2023 7:07:17 GMT
Very sorry to hear Homer is also having seizures lemonora . Awful to hear so many of the forum buds are unwell at the moment but for sure, it’s good to know they are in the best hands and loving homes where they’ll receive the best care. Thanks Arielle it sure is sad I hope they all get well and enjoy a healthy happy life and as you said they sure are in loving homes who truly care about them and are doing their best to help them thanks again for your sweet words
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Post by lemonora on May 9, 2023 7:11:46 GMT
I’m sad to hear about the seizures I've been going through this with my bird Homer having seizures and Honestly the one thing that I found to be very helpful is (Vitamin B complex) And the vet just recently advised me to use (vitamin A) as well just a few drops a month but I still can’t tell if it’s beneficial (new) But I can definitely recommend (vitamin B complex) I give it to him daily and whenever I reduce it the seizures come back and sometimes worse than before I hope this helps It’s awful to see our little buds going through this I’m constantly with him and he’s all I think about Worried all the time and my heart aching all day I wish you and your little bud the best Thank you lemonora . I'll look into the vitamin B complex. I know that calcium is also important so I have already upped that. Your words could have been mine... that constant worry & constant thinking of them. I hope Homer stabilises & you both get some relief. Thanks sweetpea for your nice message I hope your bud gets well too, it’s crazy how much we love them, most people don’t get it I didn't know about the calcium, they have calcium blocks , and eat from it regularly thanks again for your kind words wishing you both the best
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Post by sweetpea on May 9, 2023 9:43:23 GMT
A stroke happens when the blood flow to the brain is interrupted; a seizure is a misfiring of the electrical impulses in the brain. sweetpea, I understand you don’t have any answers and don’t want to go the invasive test route. I also didn’t realise that Finkle was a rehome, so that’s another set of circumstances that may be possible causes. This is the Vit B supplement that lemonora is giving to Homer and it does seem to be helping him. It might be worth trying even though as you say there are many different and unrelated possible causes. Surely it can’t do any harm? Thanks Hezz. Yes, rehomes can make diagnosing health issues much harder. I am thinking now that Fat Frediano may have liver problems (fat related) as the vet trimmed his beak & toenails in March, but they are already looking a bit long. I assumed at the time that lack of different perches resulted in the long nails, but there may be something more going on. I can't find the link to the Vit B supplement?!
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Post by sweetpea on May 9, 2023 10:47:57 GMT
I have just noticed that Guardian Angel contains Vit B Complex. They were both given that during quarantine. I might, in the interim, go back to it...
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Post by lemonora on May 9, 2023 12:17:31 GMT
This is what I had a available and I’ve been using it with Homer for almost 8 months and it’s helping him a lot I started with just 3-4 drops on some seeds in a small plate daily and over time I increased it to 6-8 drops daily He’s calmer and plucks less, and of course less seizures And when ever I try to reduce it he gets bad seizures again So will not being doing that again Hope this helps
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