Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on May 31, 2013 12:32:41 GMT
As some will know i lost eagle reasontly when he started pooping water, and that ada has been having poops with wet rings around them too now. He vet sent off poop to be tested and the results came back as clear for everything, no mega bac, no fungle, no yeast, no bacteria. She had an anerbolic steriod injection 2 weeks ago to see if that helps, but still the poop is the same. She will do normal poops where there is no wet ring but now mostly wet rings. The vet is fully booked monday so trying to get to see him at the other pratices, hopefully wensday. I think the next step will be trying to get enough blood for testing. heres photos this mornings poop these 2 taken the other day
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Post by birdguhl on May 31, 2013 15:07:31 GMT
Hi there and thanks for your reply on my PBFD thread. Re droppings - have you seen this: budgerigarsforum.proboards.com/thread/2319/healthy-budgie-sick-poo ? I have a droppings issue in common with you! Two of my buds have just had their first taste of Metronidazole (antibiotic) as there are too many of a particular organism zooming around. One of them is producing very grey droppings the other very wet, almost liquid. Hope you get can somewhere on this for Ada. I sympathise!
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on May 31, 2013 15:23:25 GMT
yeah, eagle was pooping just water with no poop. all of adas has poop. She was on baytrill antibiotic for 3 weeks, no change then had the poop sent off to a lab to be tested, call came back clear. Vet thinking kindey problem so gave the steroid injection.
Eagle had the baytrill for 4 weeks, then the steroid injection, then tablets that are ment to help improve kidney problems as vet thought it was his kidneys caused by the beak and feather diease, sadly he didnt make it but now ada is pooping excess water surley it cant just be a coiendence, vet thinks it could be but im not sure
they have been off the veg since i noticed eagles water poops so no veg for about 2 months at least, just trill and millit. i did stop the milk thistel so think ill start that again incase its liver. in the cage are wodden perches and rope perches, i have had to wrap one of the wodden ones in bandages due to adas bad foot but thats been there ages and not seen her nibbleing it. There inside budgies and just ada now so not outside in an avery however i work in an animal care depertment at a college where there is an avery of budgies and other birds so could have prehaps brought something back on my cloths maby?
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on May 31, 2013 15:31:54 GMT
also ada's weight has been a bit up and down, she was 57g (i know fatty fat fat) it went down to 54g then up to 56g just now it saying 53g
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Post by Hezz on Jun 1, 2013 1:37:19 GMT
The up-down weight with Ada could be fluid loss, if she is losing a fair amount of water in her droppings. I think she seems fairly stable. Are her poos bigger than a normal poop, PP? The milk thistle sounds a good way to go, to me.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on Jun 1, 2013 9:54:05 GMT
Hopefully, she is fat anyway so loseing a bit won't hurt. Will be good for her bad leg and foot.
They seem to be pretty normal, some are tiny but most normal size. I've not noticed her drinking any extra but she has all ways liked a drink has ada. In herself she seems fine, playing, singing, demanding etc
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on Jun 1, 2013 19:09:31 GMT
Also forgot to say, he has looked at adas poop under the microscope and found nothing. It's been checked on two times with ads and was checked checked least twice with eagle.
Ads has been sitting out in the sun today watching me hack away at a tree. Also of course playing and pooping on my laptop.
Have used farm grade disinfectant on her big cage, will do the small cage tomorrow as i completely forgot to do that one. Got to redo her rope stuff as it smells funny now so don't think it dryed properly haven't put them back in the cage yet.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 2, 2013 1:22:31 GMT
Hope she comes around quickly, PP. Let us know how you get on.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on Jun 3, 2013 0:00:36 GMT
just wandering, about psittacosis chlamydophyla, the ada's breeder mentioned he has had some birds with Chlamydia reasontly and he has been giving them something (not meds), the birds at work are his so wondering if it could be that, but if it was the Chlamydia psittaci bacteria would have shown up when i had a bacterology done on her poop right? maby worth treating for it any way untill we find out what it is.
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Post by Hezz on Jun 3, 2013 1:10:45 GMT
Not really necessarily, PP. It doesn't show up with your general gram stains, which is what the vet uses mostly. They are something you need to go looking for specifically.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on Jun 5, 2013 17:54:10 GMT
Ok thanks hezz, I'll ask about testing for it. She is booked in for Monday as he was fully booked in all the practices this week. She has put on a gram and has done some poops with no wet rings but sill mostly wet rights of diffrent sizes. Seems fine in herself but I'm away the weekend so worrieing about leaving her.
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Post by birdguhl on Jun 5, 2013 20:44:06 GMT
Sorry youre still worried about Ada, PP and I too know that worried about going away feeling.
If you're going for chlamydia testing you need at least 5 consecutive days of droppings as they don't shed it all the time.
Even then it's one of those tests where a positive is a positive but a negative result doesn't guarantee the bird doesn't have it. It seems like that with quite a few things.
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Post by Captain Howdy on Jun 5, 2013 21:42:51 GMT
just wandering, about psittacosis chlamydophyla, the ada's breeder mentioned he has had some birds with Chlamydia reasontly and he has been giving them something (not meds), the birds at work are his so wondering if it could be that, but if it was the Chlamydia psittaci bacteria would have shown up when i had a bacterology done on her poop right? maby worth treating for it any way untill we find out what it is. If he had birds with it they and all birds who have been in contact with them should have been treated for it. Don't bother doing it by faecal sample, they shed it in 10 day cycles and there is no guarantee they are actually shedding it. They can be carriers of it for years and then suddenly it starts to affect them. The only way to be certain is testing via blood. It is a very simple test, they only need to clip the toe nail to get the blood sample as they don't need much for it. My vets do in house testing for it so I get results same day normally occasionally next day depending on when it was put in. It is easily treated with Doxycyline (SP) either given via the water, Ornicure, or orally, Karidox. Some vets can inject this but my vet can't get the injections. If it is Psittacosis (Chlamydia) then all birds you own should be treated at the same time, you need to disinfect daily with a good disinfectant, I use F10 SC, and NO calcium supplements can be given for the duration of the treatment, 6 weeks. You then need to wait 3 weeks after the treatment has finished to retest them. Also it is zoonotic so humans can get this, it tends to present itself as flu like symptoms, please keep this in mind if they do have this and alert your doctor at the first oppertunity. If the vet doesn't want to test via the blood then you can do the test yourself with AvianBiotech, as long as you are confident in taking the blood sample yourself by clipping the toe nail too short. Takes about a week for the results and did cost £17 per test when I did my flock recently.
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May 14, 2013 16:02:17 GMT
flook1e
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Post by flook1e on Jun 5, 2013 21:57:52 GMT
Also to note that the vets should have treated your budgies with antibiotic only AFTER stool samples were acquired. Antibiotics before stool samples can give false negative results meaning it may show no bacteria colonisation when there is.
I agree with captain howdy - the pattern suggests infection.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:34:59 GMT
ppvallhunds
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Post by ppvallhunds on Jun 6, 2013 0:27:44 GMT
thank you, i think ada went on the antibiotics the same day after the poop sample was taken, as i didnt know anything was up with her as i thought her poops with the rings around was eagles. I defernalty want a blood tests done, there vet didnt sound keen on doing one as doesnt think he can get enought bloods to runs tests, but ill give him the name of that tester so he can get the blood and send it to them to test. I didnt know about the breeder having the Psittacosis intill after the last vet visit, however i dont think he takes his birds to the vets so it wont be confirmed they have it. Work are going to speak to the breeder as he owns the ones at work too so if they do have it everything in there will need treating, students are currently banned from going out there untill this is sorted.
Ive only got ada left, if it is Psittacosis ill let my doctor know as if it is id asume a good chance i could have it as im allways hugging and kissing my budgies. Ill have to order that f10 stuff, ive hurd its good. ive been using trigene. I honistly think she will be ok while im away as eagle was much worse and was doing mostly if not all poops that were just water, but he seemed ok in him self (was singing and running about the day befor) and died while i was away for 1 night and i allways worrie when it comes to my budgie babies.
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