Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
lydiacminx
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 4, 2013 22:17:14 GMT
Hello, I posted in this forum quite some time ago about a budgie I rescued from my college called Edmund. He's overall a bit of a runt, his left wings primary feathers don't grow, and the feathers that are on that wing are slightly curly. His nails grow very long very quickly and he is constantly shedding! He cannot fly at all and often tumbles off of his perch for no particular reason. He is a happy bird though, since having him he's come out of his shell a lot and sings and plays (he never used to touch toys - now won't leave his mineral stone alone!) However he had a problem with his breathing when I first brought him home (clicking, tail bobbing), so I took him to an avian vet and was prescribed Baytril (can't remember dosage now) and this did nothing to help his breathing. I also bought some Ivermectin spot on for him thinking it would be Air sac mites as he was housed with Finches prior to me taking him (other budgies bullied him) and this also made no difference what so ever. I returned him to the vet once more and was again prescribed Baytril for him, again no change. I came to accept that as a runt, this was probably just the way he was and that he seemed very happy in himself so it was forgotten about for a time. However, I've just seen him now and noticed he's got either blood or brown mucus coming from his right nostril, and it's stained the feathers above the cere, and his other nostril looks partially blocked. I tried to wipe this away with a tissue to determine if it was blood or mucus, but being feral, Edmund panicked and I put him back and tried to work it out from looking (I couldn't). His middle nail on his right foot has what looks like blood in it, so I'm wondering if this is connected? Any help on what could be wrong with Edmund would be a amazing. I feel so bad knowing that there is something wrong with him but not really being able to find out what. I will take him to a vet ASAP, but as it's the weekend all of my avian vets shut at 12, and I work until 3 Thank you for any and all help
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Post by ffiscool on Oct 4, 2013 22:34:24 GMT
Oh poor thing! Well done on rescuing him!!!
Do you think it's possible he as has scratched himself, he got blood on his foot especially as they grow long?
Bailey had a lot of brown above his cere but it has improved with vitamins as vet thought might be vitamin A deficiency and he has also been moulting, and where feathers coming through has also bled a bit. Is that possible with Edmund Or is it definitely from his nostril? People on here will know things to advise but are you able to post a picture?
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Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
lydiacminx
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 4, 2013 22:42:37 GMT
Thank you, I had seen him looking rough at college for a while and finally got to take him about a year ago now! I thought he would look more like a 'normal' budgie by now but he is a lot happier in himself I think I think that is a possibility and it is what I'm hoping it is out of the other options, although if this is the case why was it so itchy that he scratched it that much? Even with long nails! Pets worry me so much sometimes! And it is definitely from his nostril, I just tried to get a photo but it shocked him so much he fell of his perch Will try to get one when he is more relaxed tomorrow
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Post by ffiscool on Oct 4, 2013 22:50:44 GMT
Bailey permanently scratched which eased a lot after ivermectin and now it's the moulting that makes him rub his head.
i wonder if something got in his nostril and made him scratch, rather than it coming from anything else. Hope he improves. Does your vet have out of hours number? You might be able to call them for advice.
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Post by starlingqueen on Oct 4, 2013 23:32:31 GMT
It sounds like he may have a respiratory infection. He may benefit from a nebuliser along with antibiotics. Keep him warm by covering 3 sides of his cage and setting a lamp above his cage.Get him to a vet as soon as possible, 5the quicker the better. I think the reason he is so small and has feather problems is because he has some sort of feather disease like PBFD or French moult,this would cause the constant shedding. I have a French moult bird who sounds just like your little one, falls off his perch and can't fly etc.
I have everything crossed for you and hope he makes a speedy recovery.
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Post by birdguhl on Oct 5, 2013 0:03:04 GMT
I agree with SQ - it sounds like he has a viral disease causing the plumage problem and this could make him more vulnerable to other thing like resp issues. I also have one who sounds identical, including the happiness! Also agree vet visit in order. Good on you for giving the wee fella a loving home. Keep us posted.
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Post by Hezz on Oct 5, 2013 0:51:28 GMT
And I too am on the same page as SQ and Birdguhl. It sounds as though Edmund is a French Moulter, which as they have said can be the cause of his smallness and feather loss, particularly the flight and tail feathers. The best thing you can do for him in this case is a high protein diet - egg or eggfood, even a bit of chicken, if he will eat it, to help his feather production, but the immediate issue is the mucous from his nostril, which does sound like a respiratory infection. A very quick look on-line gave me this. About half way down the page there is an interesting piece on using F10 in a nebuliser: It is believed that very good results have been achieved treating other problems by using a product called F10, this product is an anti bacterial/anti viriadal disinfectant, and it was suggested that we Nebulise the birds with F10 at the rate of 1:250. twice a day for a minimum period of half hour per day, for a 2-week period.
This process is easily achieved by placing the birds to be treated in a show cage, the outlet to the nebuliser is then wedged between the bars of the cage, place a cover over the cage and switch on the nebuliser, this operation is totally stress free.This is the whole article if you are interested: www.adorablebudgies.co.uk/Nasal_Discharge.php
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Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
lydiacminx
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 5, 2013 8:00:59 GMT
Thank you all for the help, I've always thought he was a French Moulter, that or some other immune disorder! He currently has egg food with his seeds (he wouldn't touch pellets, or fresh food of any sort, I've kept trying but he ignores them) and gobbles it up so fingers crossed that's giving him a hand!
May be able to get him seen by a vet this morning, but I'm not holding out hope!
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Post by Hezz on Oct 5, 2013 11:09:26 GMT
God luck, is about all I can offer.
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Post by budgiefriend on Oct 5, 2013 12:05:58 GMT
Hope the vet has the solution for Edmund and he is feeling better soon. Keep us posted.
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Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
lydiacminx
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 5, 2013 15:36:19 GMT
I was unable to get a vet appointment this morning, but I've come home from work and he still seems fine I'm buying some Ivermectin 0.1% as we speak and getting him to the vets as soon as I possibly can next. I'm also 100% sure it was blood and not mucus, as it had dried by this morning and was exactly like dried blood - so that's a bit of a relief! I will keep you posted when anything new develops
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Post by starlingqueen on Oct 5, 2013 15:45:22 GMT
Is Edmund in your Avatar, if so which one is it? Just curiosity?
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Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
lydiacminx
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 5, 2013 15:49:29 GMT
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Post by starlingqueen on Oct 5, 2013 16:20:47 GMT
He's a beautiful colour and such a sweet little thing. Hope everything is OK with him.
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Jun 2, 2013 19:50:00 GMT
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Post by lydiacminx on Oct 7, 2013 19:42:36 GMT
Thank you, he is a lovely colour, I don't think I had seen a budgie with his colour in real life before I rescued him Well, I took him to the vets today and she said that overall he's healthy, good muscle tone for a runt, etc. Just that his feathers are a bit malformed, she also took a look at his nostril and concluded discharge (proved me wrong! ) and prescribed Synulox, as I told her Baytril has been prescribed twice before with no success. She was a lovely vet who actually seemed to know her stuff when it came to birds! So fingers crossed the Synulox works
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