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Post by Budgies Retreat on Feb 25, 2014 1:59:35 GMT
Can anyone try and give a possible likely outcome if my normal green cock mates with a normal grey hen? Here is a photo of them. I'm not planning on breeding them just yet, but they are definitely bonding and both are over 12 months old (apparently)
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Feb 25, 2014 4:02:25 GMT
If they are not split for anything (carrying hidden mutations), you will get...
50% Green
50% Grey Greens
All the chicks would be split for Blue.
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Post by Budgies Retreat on Feb 25, 2014 12:25:12 GMT
I did try reading the thread on the mutations and how and why they split, but is a little confusing for the newcomer. I'm sure in time it'll become clearer for me and I'll be better at understanding. It seems that there is still a possible element of surprise with regards to these "hidden" mutations. I guess that's the fun of breeding them. Many thanks BB
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Feb 26, 2014 3:53:52 GMT
You're welcome  If I put it into simple words, it sort of works like this... If both your birds had normal parents (in some cases normal grandparents too), they won't be split for anything. But if their parents had some other mutation (visible or hidden), it can be transferred to the chicks. I was asked the other day by a guest that why my chick was not looking like the breeding pair (his parents). I tried to explain but it was complicated for them. So I just said that the chicks was like the grandparents, and they nodded their head and said; "Yeah, that's possible"  The surprises are fun in breeding |
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Post by Budgies Retreat on Feb 26, 2014 10:34:12 GMT
I'm sure that once I start my breeding programme and force myself to read all about the genetics then it will all fall into place. I appreciate you trying to put it into layman's terms. It's no different to humans I guess, with blonde haired children coming from dark haired parents etc, and that a gene has "popped" up from a previous generation? I suppose as long as it doesn't come out as a canary then I'll be happy LOL   |
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Post by mizloco on Feb 26, 2014 10:36:12 GMT
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Post by Budgies Retreat on Feb 26, 2014 18:19:37 GMT
I certainly don't want a pigeon  |
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Post by darrenc271 on Feb 26, 2014 20:59:45 GMT
Av noticed breeding greys they seem to be dominant colour Av breed a few and all i seem to get is greys grey wi blue and 6 chicks were grey green wi a grey got grey chicks , a bred a double dark factor grey wi normal grey but never produced any fertile eggs , nice birds daz
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Feb 27, 2014 4:21:21 GMT
Grey Factor
Gray Factor is a color adding factor. So when a budgie has Grey Factor, the Grey color is added. The budgie will have Grey color, plus the budgie's original body color. The Grey Factor is very strong. It overrides the underlying original body color.
Grey Factor: Dominant
Normal: Recessive
There are only two Alleles for the Grey Factor. One is the Grey Factor gene and the other one is Normal gene. The Grey Factor gene is Dominant and the Normal gene is Recessive. It means that a Single Factor Grey budgie will look like a Double Factor Grey budgie. However, Dark Factors still work here. For example a Grey budgie with one Dark Factor or with two Dark Factors can be darker in color than a Grey budgie with no Dark Factors.
Therefore if we call Grey Factor “G” and the NORMAL “g”, we can get the following three genetic combinations in budgies.
gg = Two NORMAL genes, which will result in Normal budgie.
Gg = One Grey Factor, and one Normal gene , which will result in Grey Factor (Single Factor Grey Budgie).
GG = Two Grey Factors, which will result in Grey Factor (Double Factor Grey Budgie).
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Post by darrenc271 on Feb 27, 2014 17:11:37 GMT
Thanks bb now i understand now , u really no ur mutations
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Post by Budgies Retreat on Feb 27, 2014 18:05:15 GMT
So they'll be grey then! Unless there are 2 normal genes in which case it will be the original budgies colour?? I think I'm getting it.... |
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Feb 28, 2014 4:01:28 GMT
Yes, if two normal genes are transferred, the chick will be normal.
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Post by darrenc271 on Feb 28, 2014 8:46:16 GMT
Aww kl Av got a grey hen the now wi 3 chicks the dad is a pied and Av got two grey chicks other one still a bit early to tell
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Post by darrenc271 on Feb 28, 2014 8:47:38 GMT
Forgot to say the pied is white and blue
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 1, 2014 4:24:28 GMT
Forgot to say the pied is white and blue When you have time, post the pictures of the pair and chicks |
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