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Post by ffiscool on Dec 30, 2020 21:49:30 GMT
The people who feel that way, are clearly the lucky ones who don’t know anyone that had it badly, or died from it.
Nor do they realise if they did get it, they could be left with long term ill health.
Someone on tv was interviewed. I can’t remember if it was his father maybe who had died, he said anyone ignoring it, just very selfish
I wonder if those who don’t care in the US thinks as Trump got over it, it can’t be that bad.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 30, 2020 22:55:07 GMT
Yes, ffiscool I agree and many people are just in denial and frustrated with everything, hoping/believing it can't happen to them. One scary thing is that there is a group of staunch Trump supporters who get all their information by reading Trump's Twitter, etc postings. They totally believe him when he says the news media lies about everything and has blown the covid-19 out of proportion. Yes, they see that Trump recovered in less than a week so it must not be that bad. I think with the tremendous rise in cases likely to happen after the Christmas and New Years parties and gatherings plus the transition to the Biden presidency, we are in for an exciting Jan in the US.
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Post by ffiscool on Dec 31, 2020 0:13:10 GMT
Well now there is a 2nd vaccine - have the US bought any? It might just start to get numbers down. They said it’s I think at least 14 days after before a vaccine can work, provided you didn’t have the virus already. What they don’t yet know, is whether even if you’re protected by the vaccine from catching it/becoming very ill, is could you still transmit it.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 31, 2020 0:44:37 GMT
Yes ffiscool, we have both vaccines here but it will be late summer before ordinary people will be able to get it. Its going to medical people first, nursing/long term health care facilities, grocery store workers, people with underlying conditions and then everyone else. I heard on the news that a third vaccine is coming out of Astra Zeneca/Oxford. It is also a 2 dose vaccine but the second dose is given several weeks after the first whereas with the other two vaccines the second dose is about a month after the first. With the first two vaccines, you get about 50% protection after the first dose. There is a male nurse here who got the first dose and 10 days later he came down with Covid. Medical professionals think he got careless after he got the first dose and he does work in a Covid ward at a hospital. They are now warning people who get the first dose to keep wearing a mask, social distance and frequently wash hands for 14 days even after getting the second dose. Apparently it takes time to be fully effective.
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Post by ffiscool on Dec 31, 2020 1:11:18 GMT
Yes we have 2. The AZ one doesn’t have to be stored as cold as the first Pfizer. They’re talking about giving more people the first one rather than all who had the first, the 2nd. There were two people ended up in hospital from the AZ trial. One was ill a few days after the vaccine with covid, so had already got it at the time of vaccination. The 2nd person about 10 days later I think, again already had caught Covid.
There will be people who think they’re immune after 1.
I think they’re aiming for Easter for most of us here to have had it.
It’s going to be, in many years to come I reckon a question in a history test, what year was the covid pandemic.
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Post by ffiscool on Jan 3, 2021 22:14:23 GMT
Makes me SO mad. Boris is saying we may need tougher restrictions. OMG how many more need to contract it/die. How has he not learnt in all these months he is too slow - just do a lockdown. Schools are already mostly not going back yet.
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Post by jellybean on Jan 3, 2021 22:57:09 GMT
People won't adhere to the existing rules, fat chance of them adhering to any lockdown. It matters not what Boris or any of the scientists say, people will do what they want. The neighbours across the landing from us had visitors on Hogmanay come to stay, all the way from Dumfries, we are in Tier 4 lockdown at the minute which means you cannot venture outside your own area, Dumfries is 70 odd miles away. I was spitting feathers. Lockdown? ?
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Post by ffiscool on Jan 3, 2021 23:10:07 GMT
I agree that people will do what they want. But in full lockdown I think it’s better agreed to. With tiers it’s still wrong but people excuse what they do or say it’s confusing. I just think lockdown will help reduce cases etc
Even if we don’t lockdown, I don’t get how BJ is saying we might do this in a few weeks. It’s crazy. He’s just too slow. If the hospitals get more overloaded, any new emergency patient will suffer regardless of what’s wrong with them.
I’m sure all this will come up on This Morning, tomorrow as Matt Hancock is on.
I was scared the first big wave, but this scares me more.
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Post by blueelephant on Jan 3, 2021 23:47:20 GMT
jellybean that would make me very mad too. I just don't see why people don't get it. I'm so bored and so fed up being at home and not seeing friends but I understand why so I do it. At the moment I would quite like to be a budgie with nothing more to worry about than what I'm going to try and chew next. My daughter is supposed to go back to school on Tuesday. I don't really want her to go. I'd rather there was a lockdown and she could stay home. I can't believe I am actually saying that because homeschooling and working was frankly a bit of a nightmare, but I just don't see why waiting a fortnight for our local hospital to be overflowing is in anyone's interest.
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Post by mona on Jan 4, 2021 6:41:30 GMT
We have heard about AZ/Oxford one ready to go over here as well. That would also be affordable over here, due to the tie up with Serum Institute of India. They had already started vaccine production last year even before AZ trials had ended. It was a big risk, but they took it.. a part of production will be available to India and the rest will be exported to other countries which need it, as per the CEO's media address last year.. There's another one covaxin, but it's authorized in case of emergency for a second wave or the new strain spike.. The third phase trials are still to be performed for it.. Pfizer isn't getting a go due to the cold freezer requirement..
With all that in place, vaccinating the entire population will take entire year, I guess.. as per the plan, the healthcare first, followed by frontline workers (civil service, police, etc), teachers, anyone above 50, and the common public at the end. For now all these would be 300 to 400 million doses for the first phase. Mostly, post that the regular public will start getting dosage. It's a challenge to organize it on a large scale..maintaining all precautions.. the plans include registration for vaccination first and the vaccination place will be divided into zones - pre vaccination zone, document verification zone, vaccination zone and the post vaccination care and symptoms.. it's voluntary though and two doses 28 days apart.. Let's see how it goes.. One of my friend in Canada got a vaccine shot recently and was down with heavy fever and mild symptoms for a while. She is in healthcare, so had to go for it.
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Post by blue48 on Jan 4, 2021 11:09:20 GMT
My neighbour has ignored the rules all along. Back in the Spring, her husband was dying at home from non Covid illness, so it was understandable that all the family were visiting, but nothing has changed and she says because of her bereavement the whole family is her support bubble. I can understand that she needs support, but her adult son moved in to help care for her husband and still lives there. She has a large family, son, two daughters, 5 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren and they all visit together. I guess if they choose to put themselves at risk that's one thing, but they are also putting others at risk by their actions, and that's the thing neither they, nor many others seem to understand.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Jan 4, 2021 12:11:54 GMT
I know that we're in "worrying times" and people are scared that they may catch the virus, but can we please try and be kinder to eachother. Some people are really struggling mentally with being told to stay inside all the time. Not being able to see family. Eve has not seen her family since March and doesn't know anyone but her dad and I, she has no friends at all.
I have practically had a breakdown on more than one occasion due to the restrictions and feeling trapped at home.
Although exempt from wearing a mask, I wore one until a month or so ago because I just did not want the conflict of people coming up to me and telling me that I was spreading Covid and demanding to know why I wasn't masked.
I have had to stop wearing it now because I can barely breathe with it on (50% lung capacity and massive anxiety), I still get really anxious about all the staring - people make assumptions because "you don't look sick".
People may not agree with it, but I can fully understand the lady that has lost her husband wanting family around. I can also understand that they may want to see her because they only have one parent or grandparent left. What if she were to die before the restrictions are lifted and they may never see her again.
I'm not lecturing anyone, so please don't think I am. It just makes me feel very sad at times.
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Post by ffiscool on Jan 4, 2021 14:17:45 GMT
I totally understand what you’re saying Marianne Marlow and why. It’s horrible that you are experiencing what you are and that sadly so many others are too. These times are so unprecedented with an unknown time that this might end. It’s very hard when small children are involved too, not seeing family. There’s no way they can understand. Where I get so mad is that ‘possibly’ restrictions would not have to be tightened had the government acted quicker. I do think the tiers, whilst a good idea at the time, clearly are not helping as much as hoped. To introduce more tiers just causes more potential breaking of those tiers. Also, the higher spread is being contributed to by the thousands that gather in areas like Leicester Square, drive to Wales to sightsee have raves, advertising on social media at ‘secret venues’ etc and are not remotely trying to adhere. Just so so wrong. I know if my dad was still here, we’d all be ultra careful but we’d be going round on maybe a rota basis etc rather than all at once kind of thing.
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Post by blueelephant on Jan 4, 2021 14:24:16 GMT
Marianne Marlow You make a really good point. It is very hard to know what others are going through, so giving people the benefit of the doubt is the kind thing to do. Also thinking the best of people rather than getting cross at them would probably be better for my own mental health so I will certainly give that a try. I really sympathize with how difficult having a preschool child would be at the moment. I would have struggled immensely without being able to see other parents and children when my daughter was small. Let's hope there is light at the end of the tunnel and that this time next year the world will be a very different place.
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Post by blue48 on Jan 5, 2021 10:27:05 GMT
I understand what you're saying Marianne Marlow, but it's more frustration than unkindness. I have kidney disease and asthma and have been trying to protect myself since March because I'm sure there would be complications if I caught Covid. I have also lost 2 close friends to Covid and I am scared. I live alone, I spent Christmas alone and didn't see my grandchildren, just exchanged gifts with my sons outside. I have to share communal areas with my neighbour, who incidentally is younger than me, and I feel their actions are putting me at risk. PLus our local hospital is at 100% capacity. We all know schoolchildren are 'super-spreaders' and with this new variant, that we are told is 50% - 70% more contagious, I think everyone needs to take this so seriously, without exception. Two of her grandchildren are adults with children of their own so that means she has 5 households in her bubble including her own. I don't think I am being unreasonable when I say that is excessive.
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