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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 5, 2020 15:31:28 GMT
The vet recommended the ACV in their water plus no fresh foods for now. (They love their millet grass so much. ) They have their seeds and millet treats. The vet also gave me a sample of a pellet mix to sprinkle on their seeds to try. She recommends 20-25% seeds, 20-25% pellets and 50-60% fresh foods. We talked some about seed brands. She said the brand that I had been using before embarking on the search for something better was actually one of the best available in spite of the higher sugar and fat content. She said the sugar comes from the dried bits of fruit and she said what Hezz said, reduce the fat content by picking out the oats. She didn't think the fat content (9%) was too bad especially if its only 25% of their diet. She wants me to call her back this afternoon to let her know how he's doing.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 5, 2020 16:03:04 GMT
I just finished reading the articles you suggested Hezz on the thread by blueelephant. Scary and sad that my Tweetie Pie may have that. I'm hoping that if that's what's going on, he can be treated and recover. I hate the thought of any bird wasting away.
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Post by mona on Dec 5, 2020 16:21:43 GMT
I know the looks they give when you stop giving them the things they like. But, we have to be strict, when the situation demands.. Maybe millet spray can make up as an alternative, if that's okay.
Hang in there. Everything will be alright. Think positive and just follow the Vet's instructions.. Hugs and love to your birdies and you 🤗
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Post by Hezz on Dec 6, 2020 0:44:45 GMT
Not all yeast infections are AGY, so don't go jumping to any dire conclusions just yet. More likely it is Candida sp that TP has, if he does have a yeast infection.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 6, 2020 0:57:51 GMT
Ok, thanks Hezz. I guess I do tend to go to the worst case scenario! My vet asked me to email her with an update on Tweetie Pie's condition today. He actually had a pretty good day. I didn't see him throw up today. He was more playful, played with his toys, chased after Buddy to play and dipped his head down for Buddy to preen him. They now have fresh ACV water for the night. I saw Buddy drink some but not Tweetie Pie but I rarely see Tweetie Pie drink. Does he drink at night maybe or first thing in the morning or run grab a drink when I'm in another room? In the email I sent the vet, I asked her if I should bring him in for a test and treatment next week. She said to continue with the ACV water and observe him. That's better for him than trying to catch him twice a day to treat with Nystatin since he gets so traumatized by being grabbed. She said I could also feed him some wheat grass, well rinsed and dried thoroughly before giving it them. I'm guessing she wants to make sure Tweetie Pie is getting all his water as the ACV water. I'm hoping today was the first day on his recovery and not just an anomaly.
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Post by Hezz on Dec 6, 2020 1:23:11 GMT
If your vet is talking Nystatin for treatment, she isn't thinking AGY, but a more regular yeast, such as Candida, so that's a good thing. Glad he seems to be having a better day/night. Hopefully the beginning of a turn-around.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 6, 2020 15:50:26 GMT
Thanks Hezz! Tweetie Pie's overnight poop looks entirely normal, just like Buddy's. My vet said I could give them wheat grass, just rinse it thoroughly and dry it before giving it to them. Thinking this over, I surmise that she wants to make sure Tweetie Pie is getting his water by drinking the ACV water not eating wet wheat grass - do you think I guessed right? Tweetie Pie is difficult to get to try anything new. I've seen that little guy do without rather than eat something he's not familiar with. I very rarely see him drinking water so I don't know if he's drinking the ACV water. What if the final rinse of the wheat grass is with the ACV water and I shake the excess off before hanging it in his cage? Since they both love wheat grass, maybe that's a way to get Tweetie Pie to drink the ACV water. What does everyone think? Marianne Marlow Hezz anybody have an opinion - would I be doing the right thing?
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 6, 2020 15:54:23 GMT
As I was typing the above, I heard then saw Tweetie Pie throw up 3-4 seeds.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 6, 2020 17:22:31 GMT
Will ACV affect their feathers? I want to offer them a bath today. In the past, they always go to the bath water and give it a drink first and then bathe. I want to make sure that any water Tweetie Pie drinks should be ACV water. Is it OK to give them ACV water to bathe in? mona at one time you were wondering about putting ACV on your budgies food. Did you try that and how did it go?
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Post by jellybean on Dec 6, 2020 17:41:17 GMT
I wouldn't put it in their bath water TPM.
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Post by mona on Dec 6, 2020 19:36:47 GMT
Will ACV affect their feathers? I want to offer them a bath today. In the past, they always go to the bath water and give it a drink first and then bathe. I want to make sure that any water Tweetie Pie drinks should be ACV water. Is it OK to give them ACV water to bathe in? mona at one time you were wondering about putting ACV on your budgies food. Did you try that and how did it go? I had added diluted drops to their veggie chop 2 to 3 times.. But, I have also read that ACV isn't completely effective when mixed with certain food items. Does tweetie pie accept water from your hand, to make sure he drinks it and you can hand feed that? I normally dip the wheatgrass, coriander or anything alike in their herbal tea/ACV water/ multivitamin water and form a small drop of water, which they drink from the grass/leaf. Even if not the water droplets, still the grass surface contains the water and they normally lick the water first.. Before they can actually start eating the grass,I repeat the process 2 to 3 times and hand feed them the water with that...to make sure they are drinking that. Edit: I didn't see your earlier post. You had been telling the same.
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Post by Hezz on Dec 6, 2020 19:44:03 GMT
I wouldn't be giving him a bath at all at this stage. He doesn't need to bath. That can wait. As for the advice to dry off the wheatgrass before feeding, I'd be quite sure that is simply so that TP is drinking only the ACV water, yes. Your idea of rinsing with ACV water sounds fine, but you may want to double check that with your vet.
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Post by mona on Dec 6, 2020 19:50:54 GMT
I just found out a video, when feeding them herbal tea cum multivitamin water. This works for both of them..
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 6, 2020 20:29:32 GMT
Yeah!!! I just saw Tweetie Pie go take a couple sips of water. I've been going through all these ways to try to make sure Tweetie Pie is drinking his ACV water but now that I know he is drinking it, I can relax a bit. will give them their wheat grass dipped in ACV water. Unfortunately mona neither of my guys rink from my hand. Since Tweetie Pie has been grabbed a lot in the last couple of weeks by me and the vet, he is very hand shy now. He wouldn't even come onto my hand yesterday for millet. Even Buddy's been a bit cautious. Tweetie Pie does seem a bit better today, similar to yesterday. He's been playing with Buddy and his toys. I haven't seen him throw up any seeds since this morning and I've watched him eating - he usually will throw up the seeds right after eating. Thanks jellybean and Hezz - no bath today! Buddy usually lets me know he wants a bath by sitting in his water bowl but he hasn't done it today!
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Dec 7, 2020 16:01:51 GMT
I'm going to use this thread to keep a running status on Tweetie Pie. The ACV seems to be helping some. It looks like Tweetie Pie threw up 3-4 seeds after I covered them for the night and again this morning a couple of times, one right after he ate some seeds. The vet said to continue with the ACV and we may need to try the Nystatin if the ACV isn't working. She thinks if we treat with Nystatin that both budgies should be treated.
In general, Tweetie Pie seems better. He's chirping more and is more playful. He's not throwing up throughout the day. It seems to happen in the morning and late in he day. I'm keeping an eye on him and keeping the cage bottom clean so I can see if undigested seeds appear on the cage bottom while I'm in another part of the house where I can't hear the seeds hitting the cage floor.
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