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Post by mona on May 26, 2021 5:08:32 GMT
Cod liver oil is easily accessible indeed. Thank you!
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Post by mona on May 27, 2021 5:16:47 GMT
I know I might be freaking out, but his foot doesn't seem good today. There's some swelling there. His poop is normal, but he seems exhausted. He's breathing heavily at times - it could be the exertion too. But he didn't eat much since morning - not even his favorite food. I nudged him with the food bowl but he hardly ate anything. He ate very well yesterday. I have sent the photo to the vet and have an appointment over call after 3 hours. He went down to the cage base once - not sure for finding a place to sit, or he saw mung bean beneath the cage grid or he wanted to go to Cookie. If he doesn't eat anything in a couple of hours, I'll make liquid food for him. He isn't able to sit on thicker branches, so I have added thin branches and a platform perch too.I hope it isn't as bad as I'm thinking.
Cookie came right to breezie's cage, as she heard me crying. I have let her out on his cage to meet him. Edit: I have observed swelling today morning with his loss of appetite and shortness of breath. I asked my sis about the med composition and side effects, since she is qualified in pharma R&D. Mecobalamin has all these side effects, along with nausea, upset stomach etc for all the constituents of the med.. I'm doubting the med completely now for his condition since morning. Poor baby must have not felt well at night too. I will ask this to the vet. Apart from that, I'm trying to find a reliable bird vet in my city. I have stayed here earlier for a while, but things might have changed. I found a bird grooming center and contacted that lady. She was very helpful and gave me contact of a vet hospital. No one seems to have a specialization in avian life sciences, but the reviews and services show they have treated a number of birds since 1994. It's a bit out of city, but that's more than okay for us. His swelling has reduced now in the afternoon & he ate seeds and coriander a bit, drank water too. I'm relieved seeing him eat and drink. It seems like a reaction from the meds to me. The left image is of his foot right now and right one from morning. I'm throwing off that medicine right away. I'll still let the vet I had been contacting know that this happened and see what he says. But, I'm also taking him to that vet hospital today or tomorrow (after checking for permits and lockdown). A physical examination would be better than a remote consultation. I hope they have all those services they have listed on their website and facebook for birdies too. They have mentioned exotic pets too. I hope so it would be a good one. If so, I could always take my birdies for a routine check up too. Sorry for bothering everyone with my panic post 😔
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Post by ffiscool on May 27, 2021 9:18:18 GMT
it does sound like the meds, doesn't it.. let's hope it is. such a worry.
let us know how you get on with the vet you are letting know and if you get a physical exam
you're not bothering us, it is scary when they are not ok in themselves
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Post by mona on May 27, 2021 9:44:25 GMT
I have got a vet appointment for physical exam at 5.30 pm today. We are going there.
The regular vet I consult said that shouldn't be side effect of that med & I should continue it. I'm skeptical though. He asked for poop photos and hasn't replied yet. He is doubtful about an injury too.
I hope the place where I'm going would find out the cause and he gets better. I cannot see any physical injury, but maybe they can find out if there is. I have a lot of thoughts right now about an internal infection and what not. These are the first vet who have actually cared to ask about the name, age and breed/color of bird during appointment. I have a feeling they might be good. They have 3.5/5 rating. I will also ask them to trim his nails if they would. Also found a bird grooming centre that does the same - later for cookie
I really want him to be alive, healthy, happy and stay with me & Cookie.. 😔
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Post by ffiscool on May 27, 2021 11:40:22 GMT
Good luck
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Post by ariella on May 27, 2021 14:50:58 GMT
I’m so pleased you’ve got a consultation with the vet. Hopefully by now you’ve got some answers. I’ll be keeping an eye out for an update. Really hope the news is positive, mona. You’re doing everything possible and I’m relieved he’s eating and drinking now.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on May 27, 2021 15:47:36 GMT
mona I think everyone who has had a budgie (or other pet) with a serious condition has gone through the panic of what to do. Go ahead and post your thoughts - we understand. I also think you need to go with your gut feeling on his treatment. You are with Breezie and see how he is behaving and if the treatment/advice doesn't seem right, go with your own thoughts. I hope things go well with the new vet.
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Post by mona on May 27, 2021 16:22:40 GMT
I don't feel like going ahead with that medicine - even if the swelling wasn't due to that actually - but it feels weird to see the swelling for a couple of hours and then disappear. He ate so well yesterday - he ate all soft food and seeds before sleeping & stopped everything today morning all of a sudden after giving that med yesterday night
All this time, his leg kept hanging as if without life. He didn't feel any sensation while I just tried supporting his leg on the way to the vet.
These guys asked me to stop whatever I'm giving him and all supplements. They gave an anti-inflammatory, analgesic and antipyretic vet drug to be administered exact one drop (not more than that) for 6 days and have asked me to call and report his condition day after tomorrow. If he starts being a little more active and eats well, it would be in right direction. Otherwise, they will think of other solution. Before giving this med, I read a research paper first about usage & side effects on birds. There are some gastro side effects - I hope he doesn't have those. They didn't physically examine his feet. I asked them if there can be any internal infection. They said that it can't be denied, but any antibiotic can't be given to him with his current state - it might be heavy on him. So, once he is a bit better, they will take a look at it and check about diet and deficiencies. They said med should not be given empty stomach and also even after eating, considering their fast metabolism, I shouldn't wait for too long to give medication. I don't know whether the vets were good or not - the treatment will tell.
It was hard to catch him and administer him med directly in his beak. Normally, I turn their feet upside, wings down whenever I catch them. It takes them a while to think what happened and the deed is done. But vet said that I have to catch him with his beak up - straight. I watched some videos to be sure. I caught him thrice and he wiggled his way out. Tried with a cotton hand glove, a small towel and a handkerchief. Finally, I trapped him in a corner of cage and my hubby administered the dose to him from outside the cage. He was in the same position & trying to grab the cage bar when he opened his beak, we just administered the dose. Hard to say how it will go tomorrow. It's hard to do that alone. I think he drank half of it and threw out half of it. I saw in a vet video that after the dose their head has to be lifted a bit back or up so that the med is ingested. Will try that tomorrow. Pls let me know if there's a better way to grab him for medication.
Today, he didn't make a single sound, but later ate. The vet said to give him whatever he would eat and drink. If he doesn't eat or drink, I should blend everything and force feed him.. 😔 I hope it doesn't come to that. He isn't drinking water, so moisture containing food has been advised. I tried giving him a spinach stem dipped in water - he ate and drank both and ate the seeds too. After med, I gave him some millet spray and he ate it well. Did some beak grinding, but his body is tilting on one side and he still doesn't look good. The vet told me I shouldn't expect him to get well all of a sudden and it will take time, since the wound has been there since a month & it seems chronic - since he isn't active at all. She recommended Zupreem pellets for later and vitapol seedmix for them.
He did beak grinding and his leg isn't hanging down right now, but on the perch. But I think it would be too early to judge based on any minute changes. I hope he gets well and there's no internal infection that can be life threatening. I have had migraine all day and have been teary eyed the entire day. I haven't seen him so inactive ever. I hope he perks up and eats at least.
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Post by ffiscool on May 27, 2021 16:29:44 GMT
It sounds like a really worthwhile visit. Anti inflammatory hopefully will help, as that covers a lot of bases. I wouldn’t have thought an infection is associated. Re the other meds, now he’s off, I hope he’ll perk up more
Also they often drink without us seeing. I’d go more by how he is, droppings
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Post by mona on May 27, 2021 16:33:48 GMT
It sounds like a really worthwhile visit. Anti inflammatory hopefully will help, as that covers a lot of bases. I wouldn’t have thought an infection is associated. Re the other meds, now he’s off, I hope he’ll perk up more Also they often drink without us seeing. I’d go more by how he is, droppings I hope he gets well. He actually drinks from my hand and drinks about three to five times a day. I would sound obsessed, but I had been watching him the entire day today. He didn't move from where he was perching. But that's a good idea to check that from the droppings, instead of watching him obsessively.
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Post by blueelephant on May 27, 2021 16:35:38 GMT
mona I am so sorry to hear Breezie is so under the weather. Thinking of you and keeping everything crossed that he perks up soon. X
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Post by ariella on May 27, 2021 17:48:09 GMT
mona, I’m holding you and Breezie in my thoughts and hope you see positive improvements over the next 24-48 hours to rest your mind. Migraines are just awful. I take a heap of preventative meds as I suffered so badly from childhood. Mine were always stress, temperature and hormone related, so I bet yours was brought on from the stress and worry about Breezie. Make sure you look after yourself as well as Breezie. After such a busy day, I hope he has a good sleep, gets himself over the stress and then wakes up and eats for you.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on May 27, 2021 18:29:32 GMT
mona I so feel for you and Breezie. Many meds are bad for the little one's tummy and/or kidneys. Fortunately they don't have to take meds too long. My little Tweetie Pie is also very hard to catch and give meds to. I need a friend to help. Most of the time I have to corner him in the corner of the cage and I use a small dish cloth to hold him - he doesn't wiggle out as easily as in my bare hand. While you are holding him, take your finger and gently ruffle his head feathers by moving your finger from the back towards his nose. I found that would calm Tweetie Pie and my friend could give him the meds easier. Beezie is getting water just by eating the fresh greens which all contain a good amount of water. If you are worried about that, plain lettuce is mostly water. Good luck to you both - I hope this treatment works for him.
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Post by mona on May 27, 2021 20:17:54 GMT
Thank you blueelephant and ffiscool. ariella Migraines for me are due to temperature difference, travel exertion, strong smells - esp perfumes or chemicals, very loud volume (even movie theatres - i need ear plugs to watch movies), stress and my cervical (that presses a nerve that triggers migraine). Until I have extremely severe migraine (read can't even open my eyes), I can keep doing everything except working on a laptop. I can't function with a regular normal headache though. Today's migraine has been due to stress and crying (I didn't want to!) tweetiepiesmom I thought about you the moment I had to grab him, but replies here would have taken time due to time difference, so I just went ahead with it today. I'll try the head strokes next time to see if that makes any difference. Breezie could wiggle out almost everytime except when in cage corner. Maybe I was anxious too. I'll be keeping an eye on him for next 2 days. I don't think he needs a heat lamp, based on the weather over here. But he moved closer to the night lamp. I could try keeping a heat lamp and see if he moves close to it or moves away to judge.
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Post by Hezz on May 27, 2021 21:29:35 GMT
The vet is correct about how to give the drugs. If you give the drugs to him with him on his back, it can go down into his lungs and not his crop, and this in itself can cause further complications. An anti inflammatory should help his foot. I’ve not had to deal with gout or arthritis in a budgie but both of these do occur. I would have thought he was a bit young for either, though.
If he is fluffed up, give him a heat lamp, definitely, if you have one.
Soaked seed and millet sprays are easier for budgies to digest when they are ill, so you might have some luck feeding him these.
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