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Post by samwiseg on Mar 3, 2012 10:29:49 GMT
I agree with getting him to the vet. My own research regarding Vit A says there is nothing to suggest vit a is the cause as I have mentioned, but pressing him with vegetables is better for his diet long term anyway. Being in London, I suppose is harder, but my birds at the moment are enjoying a wide range of seeding grasses (don't they make a mess!!! Even if you can't access grass, you can always try a box/pot on a window sill and grow your own. If his vege eating is rather limited, he will certainly benefit from a vitamin dose too. I do a week in every month where I add vitamins to the water. Sorry if I am being niave here Hezz, but what vits do you add? Is it something bird related like Calcivet or something you can easily get anywhere?
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 10:30:56 GMT
No worries BB i will for sure update with what it is..x fingers crossed a!! Does your budgie seem fine then? hoe long has he been getting the staining for?
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 10:32:49 GMT
Thank you sam thats what i would like to know also
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Post by Hezz on Mar 3, 2012 10:37:24 GMT
I agree with getting him to the vet. My own research regarding Vit A says there is nothing to suggest vit a is the cause as I have mentioned, but pressing him with vegetables is better for his diet long term anyway. Being in London, I suppose is harder, but my birds at the moment are enjoying a wide range of seeding grasses (don't they make a mess!!! Even if you can't access grass, you can always try a box/pot on a window sill and grow your own. If his vege eating is rather limited, he will certainly benefit from a vitamin dose too. I do a week in every month where I add vitamins to the water. Sorry if I am being niave here Hezz, but what vits do you add? Is it something bird related like Calcivet or something you can easily get anywhere? It is a multivitamin supplement especially for caged birds. The dosage for different sized birds in on the bottle. I don't know that any particular brand is any better than another, and what I use probably isn't available to you guys in UK - you have access to far superior stuff for your pets than we do. Marianne, what brand do you use?
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 3, 2012 10:37:46 GMT
No worries BB i will for sure update with what it is..x fingers crossed a!! Does your budgie seem fine then? hoe long has he been getting the staining for? He was off and lazy for a few days when he first got these stains but he recovered after few days, with no stains and became active. After that he has had these stains for 3 times now but all these three times he was active unlike the first time.
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 10:43:00 GMT
ok i will def get back to you with what the vets tell me,Elfies do not come and go though so maybe not the same thing but i will still tell you all what the vet tells me
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 3, 2012 10:49:24 GMT
ok i will def get back to you with what the vets tell me,Elfies do not come and go though so maybe not the same thing but i will still tell you all what the vet tells me That would be great
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Post by stace on Mar 3, 2012 11:10:46 GMT
Hi Moogie, the avian vet trip is a good idea, just to be sure.
I got the following from my vet. Have a look for these other signs on Elfie's cere area....
Vitamin A is particularly important vitamin for the budgerigar Seeds are particularly low in vitamin A. vitamin A promotes appetite, digestion and also increases resistance to infection and to some parasites. The signs of a deficiency are subtle, but look carefully at the feather colour intensity, the cere colour and condition. The feathers are pale, rough and lack lustre, the cere roughened not smooth, and there may be an accumulation of a yellow dry scale on the sides of the mouth in budgerigars with a vitamin A deficiency. Look for signs of bumble foot and scaly face mite, which are both thought to be associated with vitamin A deficiency. The most obvious sign of a vitamin A deficiency is a feather stain above the cere. The staining of the feathers above the nostrils reflects a discharge from the nostrils. As with all of the other vitamin deficiencies birds with a vitamin A problem respond quickly to the supplementation of the vitamin in the water (DufoPlus). Within three days the feathers colour up and shine again and the birds become erect and alert. Vitamin A supplements are helpful in stimulating the appetite of overcrowded young and breeding birds.
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 13:05:29 GMT
Thanks Stace...seems to me the only thing on Elf is the staining..His feathers have not dulled or look rough,his cere to me still looks smooth,no yellow dry scale on the sides of his mouth..no scaly face or bumble foot,he sits erect and VERY ha ha alert,hes very active and chatty and in no way has lost his appetite (takes after his mum there ) i will continue to look out for any of these signs now and in the future as that is valuable imformation to know x
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Post by zo on Mar 3, 2012 16:10:12 GMT
That's very interesting. My Drift has staining above her cere similar to that, but Splash is absolutely fine. Is the consensus that it's Vit A deficiency? I give my vitamins in their water (Johnson's Vit-Min drops) regularly, and checking the bottle now it has vitamin A in it. I'd never really given it much thought, since there's no other symptoms. What else could it be?
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Post by ruthpaton on Mar 3, 2012 16:12:39 GMT
One of my previous budgies had a stain like that for a while and it turned out to be a respiratory infection. But he wasn't too well with it for a while. Try not to worry to much about Elfie, you are getting him to a vet and I'm sure whatever it is can be sorted. Do you have any Guardian Angel? It's worth keeping some to hand as it helps a budgie get over illnesses. I think a few people on here keep some to hand and it seems to be good stuff. All the best for the visit to the Avian vet! :-)
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 3, 2012 16:19:24 GMT
That's right it could be respiratory infection as well. Mine had some breathing issues and I treated him for respiratory infection. Heavy breathing gone but the stains were still there.
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 16:59:39 GMT
It is a worry but apart from stains he seems fine but i would hate for any thing else to get worse before the vet trip...I do have guardian angel but maybe should find out from vets first whats up with Elf? He has just had some food and now is sitting on his perch next to me grinding his beak bless x
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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 17:18:06 GMT
Do you think instead of the normal vit supplement in Elfies water i should use Guardian angel? i hope to get him to the vet by weds so am not sure if i should...If it wouldn't harm him then maybe i should? i cant work out though how much i would add to his water, his bottle holds just a tiny bit under 2fl oz... i would like to know this if not for now then in the future just incase i really need to use it fast
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Post by nat on Mar 3, 2012 18:54:31 GMT
I don't think guardian angel is the right thing for him if hes not actually sick. Its for birds that are weak because they are sick and although includes vitamin A has a higher dosage of B vitamins which will help pick up a sick bird. From the same company you can buy 'Daily Essentials' which has a higher dose of vitamin A, but still includes all the B vits as well. The great thing about daily essentials is that you can safely mix it in the same water as the calcivet supplement. If your bird doesn't eat veg then daily essentials 3 is recommended. If he starts to eat veg then change to daily essentials 1 which contains a smaller dose of vit A. It can actually be dangerous to overdose on vitamins so always follow the dosage that is recommended on the pack. www.northernparrots.com/daily-essentials-1-soluble-multi-vitamins-prod6010a/
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