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Post by Moogie on Mar 3, 2012 19:08:03 GMT
Thanks nat... i have just read both and it says daily essentials 1 for birds on mainly seed diet and 3 for fruit/veg eating birds-is that right?
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Post by nat on Mar 3, 2012 19:23:53 GMT
yep. I'm just re reading the instructions now to make sure:) The other good thing about the 'birdcare company' who make this stuff is that you can ring them for free health advice on 01453 835330
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Post by Hezz on Mar 4, 2012 1:13:30 GMT
Everyone has jumped on this Vit A bandwagon. I am not convinced.
A respiratory infection/ aggravation could well show up rather suddenly. I would have thought that a vitamin deficiency would be a longer term thing and very slow to develop. Elfie's feathers above his cere seems to have stained rather quickly. Another thing that I have been reading about with this is if the bird dunks its head in its water dish, it can aspirate some water into its lungs which can cause an infection over time. Also if this a Vit A deficiency it has been noted by respected avain vets that there would be other signs of this - "feather issues, flakiness and powdered down flaking off...in short snowflake dandruff type effects coming off the bird". Is there any of this, Moogie?
Good luck with the vet. Let us know what happens.
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Post by stace on Mar 4, 2012 4:27:30 GMT
Everyone has jumped on this Vit A bandwagon. I am not convinced. A respiratory infection/ aggravation could well show up rather suddenly. I would have thought that a vitamin deficiency would be a longer term thing and very slow to develop. Elfie's feathers above his cere seems to have stained rather quickly. Another thing that I have been reading about with this is if the bird dunks its head in its water dish, it can aspirate some water into its lungs which can cause an infection over time. Also if this a Vit A deficiency it has been noted by respected avain vets that there would be other signs of this - "feather issues, flakiness and powdered down flaking off...in short snowflake dandruff type effects coming off the bird". Is there any of this, Moogie? Good luck with the vet. Let us know what happens. I don't think we're saying it's a Vit A deficiency, just that it's a possibility along with some sort of respiratory infection for those symptoms, given we don't know how long the stains have been there. Nonetheless, if Elfie is only eating seed, it would be good to get him eating some veges, grasses etc for the extra nutrients lacking in the seed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 6:35:04 GMT
It has been pointed out to me that there maybe there is a problem due to the staining above Elfie's cere...He is very lively in his cage doesn't really like flying out of his cage,he wont eat veg or fruit (i keep trying) he sneezes now and then but not alot...In person it does not look like staining and i just thought it was were his feathers were growing but in the pics you can really see it! please some one help as i want him to be OK.... if your still worried about this go to the vets ....but have you tried washing it off ......to see if it comes back...if not id try that first .....as i had a budgie with the same looking stains... and he was fine .....it washed off .....and didnt come back it was a one off.....
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Post by Hezz on Mar 4, 2012 8:48:05 GMT
Everyone has jumped on this Vit A bandwagon. I am not convinced. A respiratory infection/ aggravation could well show up rather suddenly. I would have thought that a vitamin deficiency would be a longer term thing and very slow to develop. Elfie's feathers above his cere seems to have stained rather quickly. Another thing that I have been reading about with this is if the bird dunks its head in its water dish, it can aspirate some water into its lungs which can cause an infection over time. Also if this a Vit A deficiency it has been noted by respected avain vets that there would be other signs of this - "feather issues, flakiness and powdered down flaking off...in short snowflake dandruff type effects coming off the bird". Is there any of this, Moogie? Good luck with the vet. Let us know what happens. I don't think we're saying it's a Vit A deficiency, just that it's a possibility along with some sort of respiratory infection for those symptoms, given we don't know how long the stains have been there. Nonetheless, if Elfie is only eating seed, it would be good to get him eating some veges, grasses etc for the extra nutrients lacking in the seed.Which is exactly what I said before.
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Post by Hezz on Mar 4, 2012 8:49:26 GMT
It has been pointed out to me that there maybe there is a problem due to the staining above Elfie's cere...He is very lively in his cage doesn't really like flying out of his cage,he wont eat veg or fruit (i keep trying) he sneezes now and then but not alot...In person it does not look like staining and i just thought it was were his feathers were growing but in the pics you can really see it! please some one help as i want him to be OK.... if your still worried about this go to the vets ....but have you tried washing it off ......to see if it comes back...if not id try that first .....as i had a budgie with the same looking stains... and he was fine .....it washed off .....and didnt come back it was a one off..... A very good point, Mick. Moogie has said it doesn't look so bad in real life. Maybe he just needs a bath!
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Post by Moogie on Mar 4, 2012 9:17:13 GMT
OK....it seems to me as though he has had the staining foe a little while now but i just thought (him being my first budgie) that it was his feathers growing longer....He does need to eat more veg/fruit so am grateful for all the advice on other things he can have for now until he starts eating these things.... Hezz i don't think he has any of the symptoms dandruff etc and you and Mick could be quite right as he refuses to take a bath so he is a smelly little boy ha ha prob is i cant try and rub it off as my little friend wont have it yet...So!! i still think the best thing to do is take elf to the vets were he can have a full check over not only for the stains but for other things to,i wanted to have him checked over anyway so this has made me do it.....I will defiantly let you know what they have said,my first hurdle is to get him in the transport cage as i don't know how to???
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Mar 4, 2012 10:00:28 GMT
Here is mine today. He is molting only above the cere and not anywhere else on the body. The staining is light but still there.
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Post by Hezz on Mar 5, 2012 1:00:20 GMT
OK....it seems to me as though he has had the staining foe a little while now but i just thought (him being my first budgie) that it was his feathers growing longer....He does need to eat more veg/fruit so am grateful for all the advice on other things he can have for now until he starts eating these things.... Hezz i don't think he has any of the symptoms dandruff etc and you and Mick could be quite right as he refuses to take a bath so he is a smelly little boy ha ha prob is i cant try and rub it off as my little friend wont have it yet...So!! i still think the best thing to do is take elf to the vets were he can have a full check over not only for the stains but for other things to,i wanted to have him checked over anyway so this has made me do it.....I will defiantly let you know what they have said,my first hurdle is to get him in the transport cage as i don't know how to??? I don't think so either, he looks very bright-eyed to me, but the vet trip will set your mind at rest anyway, and a good check-up is something we all should have, budgies and humans. If he won't bath, you can use a spray bottle on him. Make sure it is either new or only used for water previously, take out his seed, millet etc - anything that will spoil by getting wet - and spray him. He will probably hop about and chip at you indignantly, but he will soon get over it, and start preening all that horrible water off his feathers. Getting him into the transport cage will be an issue, for sure. You will need to get him into a corner of his cage, and gently get your hand around him. He will probably hang on for dear life with his feet, and pulling him off and out will make you feel very mean, but it has to be done. Make sure the transport cage is all set to go, door open (you will make that mistake once only) and right there beside his main cage, so you can go straight from one cage to the other, the quicker the better. Good luck with the vet trip, and let us know how things go.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Mar 5, 2012 19:22:27 GMT
How was the vet trip?
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Post by Moogie on Mar 5, 2012 21:19:04 GMT
will be going to the vets i hope wednesday so will keep you posted... x
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Post by Moogie on Mar 6, 2012 17:02:32 GMT
No appointments until middle of next week,will it be ok to wait that long or should i try and get him in somewhere else?
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Post by Hezz on Mar 7, 2012 1:31:10 GMT
Don't know what to say there, Moogie. Except for the staining, he is as normal, is he? Have you tried washing the stain off? A good wet-down with a spray bottle may help there as he doesn't like a bath - but early in the day so he dries off completely. Have you tried the leafy greens in a pie-dish with a shallow amount of water approach? That works for a lot of birds, but not all........... may not for Elfie, as he isn't into his greens yet. I think the spray bottle is your best bet for giving him a bath. Remove his seed and millet, everything else should be okay but anything you don't want wet, remove. And spray! He may chirp and be indignant but just remind him it does rain in the desert sometimes! He should settle down for a good preening afterwards, unless he is like my Smudge, who justs sits looking bedraggled and miserable until she dries off anyway.
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Post by Hezz on Mar 7, 2012 1:37:49 GMT
Sorry that didn't answer your question - vet or wait. What I would do - Make your appointment with your vet for next week, but keep a close eye on him and his eating. At the slightest change, go where-ever you can to get him seen to.
Don't know if your vet will do this, mine does if you don't have an appointment but need help - they will get you to bring in your bird and they will "hospitalise" him and keep an eye on him. If any treatment is needed, they will ring, or you ring later to see how things are going. Because birds can go downhill very quickly, you don't have to wait for an appointment, if you are worried, and they can then stablise the bird before he gets too bad.
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