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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 15, 2011 8:51:36 GMT
Can we see a clearer photo of the beaky pleasey?
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Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
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Post by theswann on Oct 15, 2011 9:42:25 GMT
Marianne I'll post one later - we just got back from the vet and I think I should leave her quiet for now... My photography skills are not exactly the best I know! Well... that was a supremely stressful experience all round... Though she was very good considering she's never really been held like that before. Vet wasn't very experienced with birds so she did a lot of the consultation in liaison with her boss by phone. Her beak is apparently a little bit long but not excessively. Seeing it without the feathers all around it, I think it's a little bit long too maybe? No temperature and doesn't feel skinny. She has a slightly pooey vent but that's probably not surprising. She had an injection of vitamins and painkiller (and think it has made her wing sore on that side, she's slightly lopsided now but the vet thinks that will settle down and she can fly). She has more vitamins and pick-me-up for her water. Back on Monday for a checkup and to bring in a poo sample - kicking myself for not thinking to take one with me. She was very good really. Came home and went straight for millet and playing with toys. Now she's snoozing. No idea if this was the right thing to do or not. We don't have a car and the nearest avian vet is a long way away. Hezz - agree totally on not rushing in to getting her a friend. We need to rule out any physical problem first. Would like to offer her a bath so her bottom has a wash, but think it might be better to leave her for now. It's not clogged up at all, just not as pristine clean as it usually is.
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Post by Hezz on Oct 15, 2011 10:22:16 GMT
That's sounding all very positive though for Swanny so hopefully s/he will settle down now, take up some vitamins and whatever, some RnR, and hopefully you will all be back on track. It is easy to miss the first time round, and we should have thought to say take a poo sample in (fresh is best). Hope all goes well come Monday!
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Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
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Post by theswann on Oct 15, 2011 14:12:51 GMT
Thanks hezz. Am glad I took her - thanks for the push on that from your post last night. Though I think I have aged 10 years as a result LOL - I wouldn't have forgiven myself if I hadn't done and she had continued to decline. It was interesting seeing her take in the new surroundings and have a good nosey at the surgery. She wolf-whistled at the taxi driver which was a moment of light relief :-) I'll take a fresh poo sample on Monday - doubt they'd have been able to analyse it today anyway with it being a Saturday and only 1 vet in. On the plus side the experience doesn't seem to have overly phased her, she is preening and pretty bright and active, if slightly quieter perhaps than she'd normally be. She hasn't eaten seed but has had millet and a spinach leaf since she's been back. Her wing seems fine, I think it was just sore after the injection on that side. Her overnight poo was not the best - sort of dark green and almost oily looking We'll take it hour by hour I guess, keep her company and try not to stress her out. Vet suggested we make sure to keep her nice and warm all night so I'll bring her up with us and we'll leave a nightlight on (it'll be like being 5 years old again LOL) and the radio on very low.
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Post by theswann on Oct 15, 2011 14:55:49 GMT
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Post by theswann on Oct 16, 2011 15:52:52 GMT
Well, she's hanging in there but I don't think we have a very well budgie :-(
She is really quiet and looks 'small'. She's spending most of her time just sitting, or preening. She has been eating millet and oystergrit and drinking some. She has just started burbling at her favourite toy ('Rupert Murdoch how DARE you!') so I don't know, it's really hard to know how she is. She seems to go in peaks and troughs a bit.
Her poos have gone downhill again I think - more watery and the white part is definitely more prominent than it should be.
I am also wondering a little bit about the discoluration of tiny white feathers immediately above her (well his) cere - they are a slightly dirty dusty pink colour. I had been certain this was from her habit of talking at her iodine block. But she has been itching her head on the perches more than usual I think (or maybe not, feel like I am losing my mind trying to remember what's normal and what's not).
We're keeping her warm and I am investigating whether we have any budgie / parrot breeders anywhere near us - we're in Aberystwyth in Wales, PLEASE if anyone knows of anyone who might be able to help I would be so grateful. She'll be back to the vet in the morning but he isn't a specialist.
Has anyone got any ideas about what this could be? Anything I can flag up to the vet tomorrow above and beyond what I have observed myself?
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 16, 2011 16:41:20 GMT
Are either of these three near you? - I don't know Wales very well.
E Barbour-Hill
WaySearchE Barbour-Hill Contact Person: E Barbour-Hill BVSc, MRCVS Tan-y-Coed, High Street, Penlon, Bangor Gwynedd LL57 1PX Wales Phone: (01248) 355674 Services offered:
Rhianfa Veterinary Centre
WaySearchRhianfa Veterinary Centre Contact Person: Mr J P Hickerton BVSc, MSc, MRCV 83 Russell Road Rhyl LL18 3DR Wales Phone: 01745 332553
Valley Veterinary Group
WaySearchValley Veterinary Group Contact Person: Mark Evans BVSc, MRCVS Gabalfa Veterinary Surgery, 180 Merthyr Road (A470) Cardiff CF14 1DL Wales Phone: 02920 529444
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 16, 2011 16:50:57 GMT
To the vet you could flag up that an overgrown beak can indicate liver problems. So if they can test for that or give something herbal for the liver then that could help support her/his liver and wouldn't be harmful if Swanny doesn't have liver problems.
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Post by theswann on Oct 16, 2011 16:54:39 GMT
Are either of these three near you? - I don't know Wales very well. E Barbour-Hill WaySearchE Barbour-Hill Contact Person: E Barbour-Hill BVSc, MRCVS Tan-y-Coed, High Street, Penlon, Bangor Gwynedd LL57 1PX Wales Phone: (01248) 355674 Services offered: Rhianfa Veterinary Centre WaySearchRhianfa Veterinary Centre Contact Person: Mr J P Hickerton BVSc, MSc, MRCV 83 Russell Road Rhyl LL18 3DR Wales Phone: 01745 332553 Valley Veterinary Group WaySearchValley Veterinary Group Contact Person: Mark Evans BVSc, MRCVS Gabalfa Veterinary Surgery, 180 Merthyr Road (A470) Cardiff CF14 1DL Wales Phone: 02920 529444 Aw Marianne you're so sweet to do that. I really do appreciate it. Unfortunately we're basically a couple of hours drive from any of them (the first two are in North Wales, Cardiff is obviously in the South, we're slap bang in the middle). We don't have a car and I would hire one but I haven't passed my test long enough for insurance purposes. I would possibly risk taking her on the train in the travelling cage as she's done a train before and was fine - wolf-whistled at the guard a few times in fact! But it would be about a 4 hour journey either north or south and I don't think she's strong enough. A bus would be slightly less, maybe 3 hours to Bangor. But I don't know, all the cold and the fumes... I don't know whether I could put her through that. I am trying to do the right thing but effing hell, it's so hard. She's asleep again now - am guessing it's not the best sign that she's now sleeping on two feet rather than tucking one up?
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Post by theswann on Oct 16, 2011 16:57:05 GMT
To the vet you could flag up that an overgrown beak can indicate liver problems. So if they can test for that or give something herbal for the liver then that could help support her/his liver and wouldn't be harmful if Swanny doesn't have liver problems. Right will do. Thanks so much. I'll point out the slightly discoloured bit on her beak too - that could also be indicative of a liver problem right? Her poos are very very watery again *sigh*
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 16, 2011 16:57:47 GMT
Don't know how you are money wise but sometimes they will come out to you for a fee?
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 16, 2011 16:59:44 GMT
To the vet you could flag up that an overgrown beak can indicate liver problems. So if they can test for that or give something herbal for the liver then that could help support her/his liver and wouldn't be harmful if Swanny doesn't have liver problems. Right will do. Thanks so much. I'll point out the slightly discoloured bit on her beak too - that could also be indicative of a liver problem right? Her poos are very very watery again *sigh* Yes, a mark on the beak does indicate liver problems too. My Jerry has liver problems and I got some Avi-Chol for him - put it in their water. Smells like boiled broccoli but it perked him up good.
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Post by theswann on Oct 16, 2011 17:50:32 GMT
Aw poor little Jerry, glad he's perked up though. Is Avi-Chol vet-only? I'll ask tomorrow anway.
I remember randomly saying to my OH about 4-5 months ago about the darker patch on her beak, it's very faint, almost looks like it's been dyed from greens (because that definitely happens!), it's not a real obvious black patch or anything.
In terms of avian vet, even driving it'd be at least 2.5 / 3 hours drive for any of them, so my guess is that financially it would be pretty crippling and we don't have super amounts of excess cash but I think it would be something where I would need to call them. Depending on how things are in the morning and how it goes at the vet here, I might well call one of the specialists for advice anyway.
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 16, 2011 17:57:17 GMT
Good luck tomorrow and keep us posted. Fingers and claws all crossed here for her/him.
No, you can buy Avi-chol on the net it's not a prescription treatment.
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Post by Hezz on Oct 17, 2011 0:27:03 GMT
Poor Swanny! Hope all goes well for you.
Milk thistle is a great liver tonic, but I would get some advice before just wading in. Good luck at the vets.
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