Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
theswann
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Post by theswann on Oct 23, 2011 16:39:01 GMT
Barrie I am so sorry you've lost a hen :-(
And thank you, I think you're right :-(
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Oct 23, 2011 17:09:22 GMT
Not a lot i can say .............if it was my bird having seisures and possible kidney/liver problems also i would consider the birds has lost all quality of life and would not hesitate to have her put to sleep, this is painless and will free your bird of more stress and pain,sorry to post this but sometimes it needs to be done...................sadly i had to do this today with a young hen of my own I am sorry for your loss Barrie
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Post by budgiefriend on Oct 23, 2011 17:40:33 GMT
Thoughts and prayers and hugs to you an Swanny. I know, and Swanny knows you will do what is best.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:19:22 GMT
luke
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Post by luke on Oct 23, 2011 18:18:51 GMT
Just read through this thread, so sad We had to get our dog put down last year and although it's heartbreaking, it's for the best sometimes. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though and she makes a recovery, thoughts are with you.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
starling
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Post by starling on Oct 23, 2011 19:35:55 GMT
These little critters, honestly, they rule our lives eh? You can say that again I only just saw you're thread.... sorry, I've been quite wrapped up with my own little ones recently, as you know! Glad to hear Swann is perking up a little. I remember when we got Cookie (male and the first of my flock) and we would both be out all day. Everyday when I got home he was clearly annoyed and bored. He'd go crazy to get out. So I got Pebbles (another male) and it was a match made in heaven! I will never forget the day they met. If this is a long term thing (the empty house) then I think it would be nice to get Swann a friend.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
starling
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Post by starling on Oct 23, 2011 21:38:04 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm not quite used to the paging system on here and didn't realise there was a second page. I'm really sorry you're going through this. I know how heartbreaking it is, as I'm still going through something similar with my birds. If only we knew what was going on, so we could at least know we were doing the right thing and all that can be done to help. I really do think you are doing your best for Swanny though and I hope he pulls through. You're not alone x
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Oct 16, 2011 23:58:27 GMT
LuvtheBudgies
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Post by LuvtheBudgies on Oct 23, 2011 22:19:20 GMT
Feel like this is turning into a bit of an epic saga - congratulations to anyone who has got this far in the thread So... the plan had been to go to the vet. I left work early in order to keep her company and.... well once she was with me she seemed to really pick up - no seed eating exactly, but lots of talking, whistling and erm... budgie self-love, if you get what I mean ;-) So we decided to put the vet on hold on condition that I went to fetch a couple of new packets of Trill on the bike, which I did. Have washed, disinfected and thoroughly rinsed all the seed pots, which now have the new Trill. She deigned to consume one of the long seeds (oats maybe?) before pootling off again. I have left 2 seed cups in there, one carefully disguised with oystergrit on the top, which is her latest obsession. Right now she is rocking out to the sublime sounds of Dave 'Honeyboy' Edwards (well, being blue and all that right? ) and *seems* much chattier, happier and herself. Both me and the OH are seriously wondering if a lot of this might be sheer loneliness... Poor little Swann. Since August she has been alone much more during the day (previously OH was on sabbatical and at home basically fulltime, now we are both out virtually all day. And ok, she has the TV on or radio, but it's not the same as proper company So, we're considering getting her budgie companion... So any budgie breeders anywhere in mid / west Wales? We have two cages and of course would do 30 day quarantine etc. Anyway, we'll see how she goes over the weekend. Please please lovely forumites, keep your fingers crossed! I know this is a bit late, but maybe she burst a blood vessel in her beak and was uncomfortable eating millet and seed...maybe? Great news that she's doing better!
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Post by Hezz on Oct 24, 2011 1:07:42 GMT
Poor sweet little Swanny. We were all hoping for a different outcome to this, but I think Barrie is right. Only you can judge her quality of life at the moment, but if she is getting thin, not eating etc, she isn't a happy bird, is she? Our thoughts and prayers are with you and Swanny.
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Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
theswann
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Post by theswann on Oct 24, 2011 12:42:10 GMT
Thank you everyone for your support, it is very much appreciated. Really.
She was bright yesterday evening (though resolutely refused to eat the egg food I made, I think she takes after the OH - just doesn't like egg! Happy to have some apple though) and she stayed in the bedroom overnight so it was warmer for her and absoutely no chance of a draft from the chimney. She was quiet, seemed to sleep ok (more than I did!!) - kept a little light and Radio 4 on.
She seems happy in herself - singing, bird impressions (we had a particularly lovely chaffinch this morning!), chatty (including in the waiting room which caused some amusement). I have soaked millet in GA solution and she's had lots of that, plus some more carrot tops.
This morning I took her down to the vet again after lying awake worrying about what to do for most of the night! Anyway. It was positive *TOUCH WOOD* .
Unbeknowst to me, the stuff we got in the syringe last Saturday for her water is Baytril! I thought it was just vitamins (we saw another vet last Saturday) - so she has been on ABs after all! MASSIVE relief from me. And he reckoned her breathing is a lot better. I didn't think she was tailbobbing, but in retrospect maybe she was a bit as now it seems to have stopped almost completely. I asked about the stained feathers above her cere and they apparently look better too.
The interesting part, which is what I have been so terrified about, is that the 'seizure' she had has been put down to her passing out, as she has regained all her faculties and has seemingly suffered no lasting effects. She *had* been pretty active just prior to her collapsing, she was doing a lot of preening and running up and down one of the perches. *And* I had put her back in the big cage back near the chimney (bloody stupid thing to do, aghhhhhhhhhh) and with the wind we've been having I realise now QUITE how drafty it is there. So the combination of the two was possibly too much for her system.
Her poos continue to look ok (over the last 24 hours or so) - the vet said the watery ones might well have been related to the wormer she had (which I hadn't realised she'd had until this morning).
The cultures came back as negative for all nasties including chlamydia :-)
So, things are looking ok for her (fingers and toes tightly crossed!!). She is eating but still not been able to tempt her with seed - but human food is very interesting and she seems happy to try things we have (obviously we'll make sure it is nothing she shouldn't have, no salt or other nasties etc).
She's in the small cage with a small towel on the bottom in case she falls, with paper on top of that. She has the back and most of the sides and half the top covered with another towel and a light by the side of her. Am to continue with the Baytril for at least another week, with GA and millet plus whatever else we can tempt her with. She has fresh seed too, just in case. She's warm and completely away from the chimney.
If she makes it through all this and is completely better, we'll definitely consider getting her a friend. Definitely. But one step at a time for now.
I guess there's still a question mark over whether the green patch on her beak is simply veg staining getting into the keratin somehow, or whether it's much more serious and indicative of a liver issue. But we'll just have to see.
Please be assured I will continue to go on her quality of life and if she stops interacting, stops making noises, stops playing with toys, looks miserable or fluffed up, has a repeat of the passing out episode or anything else concerning, I will reassess. I absolutely promise I will - she is too loved to be left to suffer.
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Oct 7, 2011 16:19:22 GMT
luke
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Post by luke on Oct 24, 2011 12:51:26 GMT
Fantastic news.
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Post by BudgiesBuddy on Oct 24, 2011 13:04:53 GMT
I hope Swanny gets better very soon.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:03:44 GMT
starling
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Post by starling on Oct 24, 2011 13:18:30 GMT
Yes, that is good news The brown feathers above the cere can also be caused by a deficiency of some kind (as well as a respiratory infection). Ruby had the same thing in the first year we had her. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was possibly iodine or calcium, so we bought some of those blocks for the cage. As for the Baytril, are you sure it's not Ornicure? My lot have been on a 5 day course of Ornicure, which is given in replacement of water (the vet made up the solution). I had the choice when I was there. Either Baytril, which she said is given directly using a dropper, or Ornicure, which replaces their water. I opted for the latter as it gets quite stressful catching all of my birds (for all of us!). She also said Ornicure is specifically for birds and good for respiratory tract infections in particular (thinking of your situation here).
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Oct 6, 2011 7:41:27 GMT
Marianne Marlow
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Post by Marianne Marlow on Oct 24, 2011 13:30:10 GMT
Great news. I hope that Swanny continues to improve
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Oct 7, 2011 11:42:06 GMT
theswann
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Post by theswann on Oct 24, 2011 13:39:27 GMT
Hi starling, it's definitely Baytril. He double checked the dosage for me in terms of adding to water (0.1ml per 25ml water). Ack, worrying again now! Ornicure wasn't mentioned at all, I'll carry on with the Baytril for now, particularly as it seems to be helping, but will definitely ask about Ornicure if I need to go back again.
As far as I know staining above the cere can also be a symptom of low Vitamin A - I cannot get her to eat carrots no matter what I do with them, but she'll happily munch on the green feathery carrot tops, dandelion and that kind of thing, which should help I think. Plus she is having GA still. So... hopefully she is getting Vit A.
I do wonder about calcium though, might start a new thread and ask...
Thanks luke, BB and Marianne - keep your fingers crossed!
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Post by budgiefriend on Oct 24, 2011 14:08:27 GMT
Great news! Hope Swann continues to improve. What a roller coaster you are on!
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