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Post by blueelephant on Mar 15, 2023 15:41:34 GMT
So Toby is on antibiotics in his water and ideally the vet wants Barney not to have them too. So I have them in separate cages. Toby confined to the vision and Barney out in the room with access to the Hamberley. Neither is particularly happy about this. I'm wondering what is least stressful. Being in the same room but not allowed together or in separate rooms altogether.
Any suggestions?
Antibiotics are for an ongoing gastric issue, but not likely to treat the underlying cause which is possibly AGY. Currently waiting on some further test results.
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Post by Loz on Mar 15, 2023 16:11:04 GMT
Poor Toby There won't be a definitive answer to this I would imagine. What works best for one budgie pair will be the wrong way to go for another. If it were me, I would try the way you have it for a couple of days. My experience of this kind of separation is that the buds get used to things in time (but not before you start to worry, of course!). If the set-up isn't working after Day Two, a more complete separation ought to be tried. My non-expert advice.
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 15, 2023 19:34:18 GMT
loz That seems a very rational idea. When I am in the room for a while they seem to get stressed as they know I can fix the problem. When I leave and then just look in from time to time they seem much more settled. I've currently got the vision balanced on a chair to be the same height as the sleeping perches in the vision so they can sit next to one another.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Mar 15, 2023 20:26:31 GMT
When I've had to put Tweetie Pie in the travel/hospital cage, he spends all his time biting the cage bars and trying to get to Buddy. If I need to separate them, Tweetie Pie is more settled if he can't hear or see Buddy which only happens if one is at the vet while the other is home. When that happened and I went to pick up TP from the vet, she said he was so stressed that I should always bring them in together. He was less stressed than if he could see/hear Buddy but not be with him. As loz says, it will vary from pair to pair. Just try to see what happens.
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 15, 2023 20:51:33 GMT
Thank you tweetiepiesmom It's so hard to know isn't it! I can separate them easily or accommodate them in the same room but different cages. If only they could say which they prefer! Toby bless him had a lovely journey to the vet on his own. Singing the whole way 😂. But he didn't really eat much. And I need him to eat as he's lost weight. He's now got lots of millet so he's got no excuses! Ho Hum...
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Post by ffiscool on Mar 15, 2023 23:12:40 GMT
Hard one, given it is only the antibiotics you are separating.. was it the only way to give them, in his water?
just trying to think if another way, they then could be together again.
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 16, 2023 4:47:19 GMT
ffiscool We discussed other options but this seemed the best one.
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 16, 2023 12:48:26 GMT
They are back together. Everyone is calmer. We have solved the separate water issue by giving them no water. Barney is being taken to the kitchen tap throughout the day. His preferred water source anyway, and we are bringing in Toby's water pot and giving it to him every few hours. He's had quite a good drink today.
Makes me grateful for how tame they both are.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Mar 16, 2023 13:49:20 GMT
That does seem to be a good solution and glad it works for you and them.
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 16, 2023 14:32:16 GMT
So I've just spoken to the vet☹️
They have confirmed a positive diagnosis of Avian Gastric Yeast.
Continuing with the antibiotics for now then reassessing at the end of the course. Poor bean. Hoping we can reset his gut a bit then manage with probiotics, but otherwise it's a month of being nasty catching him to give him the recommended treatment.
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Mar 16, 2023 14:42:24 GMT
Aww, poor little guy. Been there, done that and its not fun!
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Post by blueelephant on Mar 16, 2023 16:19:21 GMT
tweetiepiesmom did you ever get a confirmed diagnosis? The have definitely identified it in Toby's poo. For some reason I thought it was presumed but never confirmed? And now you weren't sure AGY was the issue? I spoke to the vet about a big diet change and a much more fresh stuff, sprouts etc. He was supportive of the idea, but I need to wait till he has put some weight back on and he's not on antibiotics. He's currently eating seed off the table. He's suddenly got really fussy. He won't eat out of a bowl and goes looking for seed on the floor! So I've started scattering seed over the table as a compromise. Honestly the mess they create...
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Post by tweetiepiesmom on Mar 16, 2023 17:42:27 GMT
One vet I took TP to confirmed AGY - she said she saw the rod shaped yeast in his poop and I did the 30 medicine treatment. At the end of the treatment he seemed better for a few days but then not any better. He didn't loose any weight. I took him to a different vet who said he did not have AGY and changed his diet so he wasn't eating much seed. She doesn't know what he has because he didn't test positive for any bacteria or virus. Her advice was to support him with a healthy diet and keep an eye on him. I do feel bad for him but he seems stable and not getting worse. He's maintaining constant weight, playing, flying but naps throughout the day. Whenever he eats alot of seeds, he'll vomit but its more like the seeds are slipping out his beak, not a typical vomit. The vet is not sure what's going on but she thinks he's over filling his crop with the seeds. Seeds are the only food he vomits.
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Post by Hezz on Mar 17, 2023 0:30:37 GMT
Aw, poor Toby. That’s going to be not much fun for all involved - a month-long course of medicine. I did 45 days for suspected psittocosis with one of mine which of course wasn’t. That was painful.
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Post by Ira on Mar 17, 2023 15:21:17 GMT
We're two months into twice daily medicine with Yuki and if anything he's just clamping his beak tighter.
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